In article , Harold Walker
writes

"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 27/7/05 5:47 pm, in article , "Harold
Walker" wrote:



I don't know what your interest is in trying to show this country as some
kind of hand-to-mouth world, composed almost entirely of impoverished
stay-at-homes but your arguments are not exactly compelling and your
information seems to be rooted in the 1920s or 30s

Just for the hec of it did a bit of a research into the poverty level over
their...phasebase reports it as being 17 percent or roughly 10
million......certainly not the 20's or 30's as you infer...

Actually, I think it was you that did the inferring ;-)

"what do you have in England now...around the 60
million or so.....betcha 30million + cannot afford those holidays you
refer
to."

"the majority of the UK residents (English + permanent interlopers) see
very
little of the UK in a year...they just do not have the money.."


yes, we do have poverty - but it is poverty relative to the general
standard of living, and that standard of living has increased immensely
over the last 50 years.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

In article , Harold Walker
writes


OK, I apologise.
In that case, I just think you are wrong ;-)


p.s. Did your Bayberry seeds ever germinate......I now have at least fifty
growing well...H


The answer to that is 'no' .... but I can't recall them at all now - I'm
wondering whether they arrived? - did I ever thank you for them?

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

In article ,
Kay writes:
| In article , Sue Begg
| writes
| Is it worth mentioning the fact that the US is so vast that they don't need to
| go abroad. They can get to visit almost any type of climate they wish
|
| I must admit that when I have travelled, it has been to experience a
| different culture and way of life rather than to seek a different
| climate.

Whereas I find the 'natural world' more interesting that the
activities of Homo sapiens.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

I hope they won't. Back in the good old days in 1950's industrial
Lancashire winters were blighted with thick filthy smog.

But, looking on the bright side, there was very little black spot on the
roses in urban gardens in those days :-)

into each life some rain must fall....but also some sunshine as well

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In article , Harold Walker
writes


OK, I apologise.
In that case, I just think you are wrong ;-)


p.s. Did your Bayberry seeds ever germinate......I now have at least fifty
growing well...H


The answer to that is 'no' .... but I can't recall them at all now - I'm
wondering whether they arrived? - did I ever thank you for them?

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

Yes, you did.....and yes you sowed them....they were the ones I said to
remove the outer waxy material and put in the fridge after sowing prior to
warmth.....

Just for the hec of it did a bit of a research into the poverty level over
their...phasebase reports it as being 17 percent or roughly 10
million......certainly not the 20's or 30's as you infer...


yes, we do have poverty - but it is poverty relative to the general
standard of living, and that standard of living has increased immensely
over the last 50 years.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

No doubt the same as here....the poverty level here is such that millions
upon millions elsewhere would think they lived in palacial conditions if
they were blessed with the same "poverty level"...even the poor here throw
away leftovers that would be considered a gourmet meal by many

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"Harold Walker" wrote in message
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Do you think that experience in your formative years might go some way to
explaining your apparent preoccupation with the British 'class system'?

No doubt about it

"Mike" wrote in message
...

....I was but a
scholarship kid at a public school and being of a "working class
family"
money did not exactly grow on a tree

Do you think that experience in your formative years might go some way to
explaining your apparent preoccupation with the British 'class system'?


Not a preoccupation, just a very aware fact that there 'is' a class system
in this country and it is alive and well.

Mike

should have read yours first Mike before Bac's.....and it is alive and well
even today....I met it a short while ago but having the appropriate accent
of that "class" I found it very easy to manouvre around its
stupidity.....met a number of idiots that believed I belonged to 'their
class'......periodically I love having fun putting on the 'dog' over their
to see their reactions....leopards do not lose their spots nor I my heritage

" | I must admit that when I have travelled, it has been to experience a
| different culture and way of life rather than to seek a different
| climate.

Whereas I find the 'natural world' more interesting that the
activities of Homo sapiens.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

I am with you all the way on this Nick....even without travelling I can
totally enjoy........sitting in the conservatory watching the 'birds and the
bees'....to see the fox sneaking around seeking a squirrel or so.....or
early in the morning a coyote also seeking an early morning breakfast...then
the hoards of birds gobbling up the seeds...and especially those beautiful
hummingbirds..a true pleasure indeed......H

In article , Harold Walker
writes

"Kay" wrote in message
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In article , Harold Walker
writes


OK, I apologise.
In that case, I just think you are wrong ;-)


p.s. Did your Bayberry seeds ever germinate......I now have at least fifty
growing well...H


The answer to that is 'no' .... but I can't recall them at all now - I'm
wondering whether they arrived? - did I ever thank you for them?

Yes, you did.....and yes you sowed them....they were the ones I said to
remove the outer waxy material and put in the fridge after sowing prior to
warmth.....

In that case I would have done all that .... Sorry ... I'm not bad at
seeds but I'm not brilliant either.



--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

"
Yes, you did.....and yes you sowed them....they were the ones I said to
remove the outer waxy material and put in the fridge after sowing prior to
warmth.....

In that case I would have done all that .... Sorry ... I'm not bad at
seeds but I'm not brilliant either.

Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

We can't win them all Kay...if you would like to try again I will gladly
send more over later in the year when ready....H

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In article , Sue Begg
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Is it worth mentioning the fact that the US is so vast that they don't
need to
go abroad. They can get to visit almost any type of climate they wish

I must admit that when I have travelled, it has been to experience a
different culture and way of life rather than to seek a different
climate.

I'm with you there. I have never been able to understand people who
spend large amounts of money to sunbathe, get drunk and eat a big Mac or
fish and chips.

But each to their own it is their money they are spending. From the
popularity of such holidays it would seem a large percentage of the
population desire them. As long as they don't make it compulsory :-)

In Peru last year I even tried roast guinea pig - it's actually rather
nice
--
Sue
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"Mike" wrote in message
...

....I was but a
scholarship kid at a public school and being of a "working class
family"
money did not exactly grow on a tree

Do you think that experience in your formative years might go some way
to
explaining your apparent preoccupation with the British 'class system'?


Not a preoccupation, just a very aware fact that there 'is' a class system
in this country and it is alive and well.


Sorry, I thought the ex-pat had posted the bit about his education, not you,
my mistake.

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from "Harold Walker" contains these words:


the majority of the UK residents (English + permanent interlopers)
see very
little of the UK in a year...they just do not have the money....perhaps
someone like you might have the 'lolly' to roam around but there are many
that do not live in such luxury and scrape from hand to mouth each
week....no different in this country......over a lifetime I suspect
I might
have seen more of England than you have me love....a roaming on foot thru
the lake districts on one trip of a month...riding a bicycle from the
Portsmouth area to Plymouth and then via a winding route to York on
another
one of my trips over yonder.....that is just for a start..
over a lifetime I suspect I might
have seen more of England than you have me love....

Since you know absolutely nothing about my lifetime, that's just
another example of you not having a clue what you're on about.

Janet.

..........Me thinks otherwise.....I may have left England a number of years
ago but have remained a reader of your newspapers over the years and now
that Drudge Report so conveniently allows me to read the London Times, the
Telegraph and the Guardian each morning I do think I have a clue as to what
is going on in England...

But not what I am doing. Since my activities and travels are not
national news, you won't have gleaned any press information to support
your claim that you have travelled more widely in England or seen more
of it than I have.

I have restored your post, to remind you what your hot air boast was about.

Janet

In message , martin
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On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:01:22 +0100, Sue Begg
wrote:

I'm with you there. I have never been able to understand people who
spend large amounts of money to sunbathe, get drunk and eat a big Mac or
fish and chips.

But each to their own it is their money they are spending. From the
popularity of such holidays it would seem a large percentage of the
population desire them. As long as they don't make it compulsory :-)

In Peru last year I even tried roast guinea pig - it's actually rather
nice

I've never understood people who spend large amounts of money going
all the way to Peru, when you can roast guinea pig in your back garden
in the cold & pouring rain in a biting northerly gale at home for far
less. :-)

Rusty will be along with a recipe in a minute.

LOL But it would take a fair amount of landscaping to provide the
'little hills'
--
Sue
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