In article , Lazarus
Cooke writes
Remember, 'pork', 'beef' and 'mutton' were all foreign words
once. But not any more.

The meat has the name of the animal in the language of the conquering
classes who ate it, while the animal retains the language of the
conquered who grew it.

At least it works for boeuf and mouton, but I'm not sure where pork
comes from - the latin? - is it the modern french that has moved away?
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

In article ,
writes
Douglas, I don't know what you are posting with, but you must notice
that it's impossible to identify your part of the text when you reply
to posts?
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Martin, you've come over to the side of the net-nannies! ;-)
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

On 5/1/05 17:41, in article , "Kay"
wrote:

In article , Lazarus
Cooke writes
Remember, 'pork', 'beef' and 'mutton' were all foreign words
once. But not any more.

The meat has the name of the animal in the language of the conquering
classes who ate it, while the animal retains the language of the
conquered who grew it.

At least it works for boeuf and mouton, but I'm not sure where pork
comes from - the latin? - is it the modern french that has moved away?

The Latin is porcus = hog or swine, though cooked pork in Italian is maiale.
Alors, revenons a nos moutons......... (old French proverb) ;-)
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

In article , Kay
wrote:

In article , Lazarus
Cooke writes
Remember, 'pork', 'beef' and 'mutton' were all foreign words
once. But not any more.

The meat has the name of the animal in the language of the conquering
classes who ate it, while the animal retains the language of the
conquered who grew it.

Exactly

At least it works for boeuf and mouton, but I'm not sure where pork
comes from - the latin? - is it the modern french that has moved away?

No- you still talk about 'un porc' in french.

Lazarus

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On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:44:53 -0000, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:

. ..
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 00:17:15 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

All they had to do was cancel lunch hours in France. The Russians would
never have got through. ;-)
:-)
Why were they preparing for a Russian invasion long after the cold war
was over?

This was 1974.

but there wasn't a channel tunnel in 1974, or was there a secret one
we didn't know about?

No, but it was on the cards, so they were planning/brainstorming for what
would happen when it was in place. Unusual government foresight, normally
you'd expect the invasion to happen via the chunnel and then the civil
service to be completely surprised that such a thing could happen.

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Tumbleweed

email replies not necessary but to contact use;
tumbleweednews at hotmail dot com

When did everybody start calling a tidal wave a tsunami and why?

When they learnt the difference. A tidal wave is something completely
different to a tsunami, but a lot of people don't seem to realise this.

Regards,

Stuart

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:49:11 +0000, Sacha
wrote:


Alors, revenons a nos moutons......... (old French proverb) ;-)

Seeing the length of this thread, shouldn't that be 'Alors, revenons a
nos jardins.......(old URG proverb). :-)


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Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

In article , Chris Hogg
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:49:11 +0000, Sacha
wrote:


Alors, revenons a nos moutons......... (old French proverb) ;-)

Seeing the length of this thread, shouldn't that be 'Alors, revenons a
nos jardins.......(old URG proverb). :-)

Or perhaps "il faut cultiver son jardin"?

L

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A tidal wave is something completely
different to a tsunami, but a lot of people don't seem to realise this.

For the last time, it is not.

Get hold of a dictionary and look up the meaning.

Maybe its a common use of it, but its not correct, as those of us with
degrees in geology know. It may have become an alternative name for those
who don't know better, but the original meaning is quite different.

Regards,

Stuart

In article ,
Stuart wrote:
A tidal wave is something completely
different to a tsunami, but a lot of people don't seem to realise this.

For the last time, it is not.

Get hold of a dictionary and look up the meaning.

Maybe its a common use of it, but its not correct, as those of us with
degrees in geology know. It may have become an alternative name for those
who don't know better, but the original meaning is quite different.

It is perfectly correct, as you would know if you had a degree in
English - or even a better working knowledge of it. As C.P. Snow
pointed out (correctly), few scientists do, though not as few
"arts and humanities" people that have an understanding of science.
Incidentally, I am one of neither class, though an academic :-)

The English language is defined by its usage, and the OED reflects
that. In geological jargon, they may be different, but this group
is uk.rec.gardening, and we use primarily normal English, secondarily
horticulural jargon and tertiarily botanical Latin. Plus many other
dialects, argots and cants, of course.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

In article , Sacha
writes
On 5/1/05 17:41, in article , "Kay"
wrote:

In article , Lazarus
Cooke writes
Remember, 'pork', 'beef' and 'mutton' were all foreign words
once. But not any more.

The meat has the name of the animal in the language of the conquering
classes who ate it, while the animal retains the language of the
conquered who grew it.

At least it works for boeuf and mouton, but I'm not sure where pork
comes from - the latin? - is it the modern french that has moved away?

The Latin is porcus = hog or swine, though cooked pork in Italian is maiale.
Alors, revenons a nos moutons......... (old French proverb) ;-)

So did the Normans use 'porcus' or some close derivative? And the modern
French move on from there? Or did we pick up 'pork' independently?

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

In article , Lazarus
Cooke writes
In article , Kay
wrote:

In article , Lazarus
Cooke writes
Remember, 'pork', 'beef' and 'mutton' were all foreign words
once. But not any more.

The meat has the name of the animal in the language of the conquering
classes who ate it, while the animal retains the language of the
conquered who grew it.

Exactly

At least it works for boeuf and mouton, but I'm not sure where pork
comes from - the latin? - is it the modern french that has moved away?

No- you still talk about 'un porc' in french.

What is the english translation of that? Is it 'pig' or 'pork'?
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

The English language is defined by its usage, and the OED reflects
that. In geological jargon, they may be different, but this group
is uk.rec.gardening, and we use primarily normal English, secondarily
horticulural jargon and tertiarily botanical Latin.

My apologies to you all. I had thought that maybe some people might want to
know some proper definitions of things that were being discussed, as common
misconceptions can cause confusion. Now scientists will have to come up with
a new definition for tidal wave to prevent it being confused with a tsunami.

Regards,

Stuart

On 5/1/05 23:27, in article , "Kay"
wrote:

In article , Sacha
writes
snip The Latin is porcus = hog or swine, though cooked pork in Italian
is maiale.
Alors, revenons a nos moutons......... (old French proverb) ;-)

So did the Normans use 'porcus' or some close derivative? And the modern
French move on from there? Or did we pick up 'pork' independently?

My concise dictionary of English Etymology says that 'porc' is Old French.
I imagine we picked up the word pork between both the Latin and the Norman.
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds for email)

On 5/1/05 23:28, in article , "Kay"
wrote:

In article , Lazarus
Cooke writes
snip

No- you still talk about 'un porc' in french.

What is the english translation of that? Is it 'pig' or 'pork'?

A pig in French is "un cochon" and the dictionary gives "un porc" too. I've
never heard the latter used to describe a pig but only to describe the meat
as in "cotelette de porc" for example.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)