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gardenlen wrote:
fair dinkum jonno? Heres the article. Linda B was the owner. But if this is correct then they use a heap of water if left on all day... LindaB wrote: Hi Len, Just to confirm, and keeping away from words like "waste" for the minute (as it could be argued the moment it is drawn from the mains it is wasted, so things gets confused) We have now adjusted, turned all sorts of things down etc etc etc. Including reading water meters with no other water use etc etc. The minimum this one at the lower size in the range will work at is: Drawing 50 litres of water per hour from the mains Sending 20 litres per hour of that water into the stormwater (until we put the hose on it) Yes - that sure would do horrible things to your 300 litres a day. But my important message is - people need to have this sort of information so they can make decisions. It does not seem to be anywhere in teh discussions on water saving. Linda that is horrendous use of sorry waste of water, 20 litres an hour was bad enough, all this because people won't grasp the fact that our homes are not designed to suit our climate nor are they designed to keep people comfortable with nil or very minimal comfort control. On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:34:07 +1100, Jonno wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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Wily Wilde wrote:
"Jonno" wrote in message It all ties in with the sales of assets to corporations and lack of income for states., which then they have to raise taxes from speed cameras etc... I didnt vote for them! You forget the States get the funds from the GST- including the petrol taxes. http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...83-661,00.html Never forget that tax. That cost the democrats the last time when the liberals infiltrated them. What a loss that was. Now they dont stand up to credibilty unless they put it right. |
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thanks jonno,
i most likley missed that reply post from lindaB, as i often don't follow threads when they break away, and 2 people begin chatting furiously on, suppose good edicate would be to post the reply to the peson you are chatting with but also post it back to the original post so all others will follow it, sounds complex but i think you will get what i mean. that is an horrendous use of water i must say again and the practise should be treated with contempt and all such units should be turned off, community spirit would dictate that surely? yes as lindaB says people need tomake choices, but we need to step right outside the square and discard our comfort zone so we can make those choices properly. in the world of 'cause' and 'effect', we must seek the true casue then alter the effect. the way i see it all waste potential and unsustainability starts with the design of our homes. i've said that before and now i've said it again, nothing will change until we home owners do. we ahve essays and information on our page, but unless the reader has opened up that is come outside the square of indoctrinated comfort zones then i guess none of it will mean much or at best it will test their inttegrity and intelligence. On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:48:46 +1100, Jonno wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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agreed willy but?
our farmers are subsidised almost to the hilt, but only to keep them solvent so they go merrily on their inefficient ways. this recycled class 2 water without further treatment should be pipped to the growing areas (here that is about the same distance as it is to pipe it to the water dams plus the extra cost of extra filtration needed before doing that) and wastfull overhead irrigators like they persist with should surely be abolished in prefferece to a more efficient system. pipe lines have their positives and negatives, but as you said if we don't start we will never finish. lots of other more local infrastructure to look at as well. money better spent than the way it is now on illadvised subsidies in all sectors. snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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On Jan 24, 6:52 pm, gardenlen wrote: dual flushes surprisingly don't save that much water, the best saving would be if people stopped flushing urine at all, only flush solids. Well, surely they save a lot compared to not having a dual flush. Let's see, I do a number two about once per day. Probably do number ones about 5 or 6 times a day (too much coffee), and I use half flush for those. I think dual flushes are normally 3/6 L, right? So that is a saving of at least 15L per day per person, maybe 75L for my family. Ya, I could double that saving if I didn't flush urine, but then my toilet would stink. |
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g'day bruce,
we don't flush urine at all here, mine goes into a bucket for the food trees etc.,. can't understand the odour thingy? just doesn't happen here, not even my bucket though it has a lid on it. just the way i see it with water so critical there is still a lot of good drinking water used to flush used water away with. On 24 Jan 2007 16:45:56 -0800, wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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gardenlen wrote:
sure is linda, would you believe that someone on another chat said they thought we should leave how we manage water alone as they thought we where doing a good job the way it is???? Tsk. And that is because we are obliged to allow lower forms of intellegence to use computers and the internet. Apparently they have "rights." Rights-schmights. Thing is, if we offered to swap these cretins something simpler for their internet access - like... a lolly - they'd probably be quite happy, accept and just drool. Special. |
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gardenlen wrote: dual flushes surprisingly don't save that much water, the best saving would be if people stopped flushing urine at all, only flush solids. Excuse me?! We put in a dual flush toilet last April, and our water use dropped 231 litres a day. Now part of that could have been the replacement of a leaky cistern with a good one, and replacement of our leaky bath taps, but changing from the old cistern (~25 l per flush to 6/3 l per flush) must have been a fair part of that! the low flow shower heads much the same, people need to work out they they don't need as many showers as many tend to take. Anyone heard definitively if you can use one when you have a solar hot water system? Low-flow shower heads are no good with gravity-fed water, but obviously ours is a mixture of mains-pressure and gravity-fed. The plumbers I"ve spoken to have all said they thought it was unwise, but none are experts with solar HW. we have a new estate up here that has recycled water piped to it but it is only for the use of watering gardens and lawns, tat to me is still a waste, why can't those homes be connected for using it in their toilets? Some new estates are; I believe Rouse Hill has that. The difficulty is the local water company's regulations, I suspect. we still need to remember that money spent on infrastructure is investment fro the future, so why aren't all multiple use and public toilets retro fitted with those waterless full flush urinals? Because it's expensive to replace all those fittings. You refit the whole bathroom at once, not piecemeal. why aren't all new toilets in that catagory required to fit them first up? why aren't water tanks compulsory for all new homes built? We have BASIX, which is helping somewhat. I believe there is a small rebate for fitting a tank too, but it is nowhere near the cost of installation. On the good side, I've heard tank installers in Sydney are booked out for months in advance. and not to foget many homes are fitted with evaporative air coolers these units commonly use 20 litres of drinking water for every hour of operation. Not down here; we're just chewing up coal and spitting out greenhouse emissions with refrigerative systems. -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled." Kerry Cue |
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"gardenlen" wrote in message ... yes kylie, we came from rural of recent times where we supplied our own water, that by the way would be a great training ground for many city folk when yo ahve to wuply and mange your own water. and we had a waterless composting toilet and i still say if we humans were 1/2 as smart as what we are intellignet we would be wanting one of them in each home, the water savings would be mind boggling. yes this new yuppy affluenza idea that odour is some how unbdesirable and must be eliminated, or that odour means unhealthy? you only have to watch the manipulation occuring on tv commercials, they promte that everything has to be surgically clean but this is leading to humans getting sicker more often as the bodies immune systems have no defences built up and defences can't come from a pill bottle. to me here we are all running out of water to drink (the gov's story) yet the majority of the poulation thumbs their noses at conservation and uses 3 litres of drinking water to flush what? 1/2 a litre of waste water from the human body. back in the 40's to 60's before this madness of centralising human solid waste disposal, sewerage!! came along we had thunder boxes, yes they got a bit whiffy did anyone suffer from a pandemic? not to my knowledge. and the grease trap from the bathroom and kitchen waters drained into our back yards where we played, grew beautiful lady finger bananas, again hospital wards weren't crowded with the sick and dying of some disease because of all this. the affluenza of our society is driving us backward, closing our eyes and narrowing our minds vision. i saw a tv commercial the othe day that bought it all home we developed nations are donating funds that help 3rd world countries get access to clean water supply ie.,. bores, dams, well, yet here we are prepared to waste good water so we can drink it as recycled poo water. On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:37:00 GMT, "0tterbot" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ You have my wholehearted agreement on this one len! Especially about our sterile society....I refused to sterilize every item my children touched from birth...they ate dirt, grass, dog food, and on one occasion a very unlucky house spider (that wasn't planned but DS1 seemed to enjoy it) and they haven't died yet. I did suffer being picked on by my MIL and SIL for not washing my baby twice a day....we just didnt have the water; a stinky post-nappy bum didn't kill him, and he's perfectly fine now....not sure where people got the idea that we can completely eradicate bacteria and microbes by obsessive disinfecting of everyone and everything, and that this was a good thing.... |
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George.com wrote:
A good start to conserving water. Another relatively easy thing to do would be to reuse grey water down the crapper (twice over then). Only problem is that that involves a few hundred dollars for a grey water system, plus a few hundred dollars for a pump to pump it back into the toilet cistern, plus a few hundred for the plumber to connect it all together, plus a few hundred for the electrician to wire it all up. It would be easier for me to just build an old pit style loo over the drop off in the back yard, but they'd never allow that. |
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Wily Wilde wrote:
We should be giving subsidies to farmers to do massive levels of water saving irrigation techiques. In Israel, the Israeli farmers are doing ok despite farming in an arid land because they use new modern well designed irrigation systems. Explain how you grow a field of wheat with it? We should also build am irrigation pipeline from the areas which recieve plenty of water - in NT etc.. - to the parts of Australia which are drier. That will totally fsck the land. far easier to send the crop to where the water is, but the Ordriver scheme is already being impacted by salination. Not surprising with the amount of water they are adding to the soil. |
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g'day meeee,
it's the indoctrination throuhg tv ads that does it, like the latest type ads not only are you supposed to blast a fly or cockroach with spray but it has to have a disinfectant in it to kill the germs they supposedly carry. all that ads that say if it smell clean it must be clean all subliminal type manipulation saying if you detect an odour then that is unclean. we use a fly swatter and guess what no pandemics in ths family. people don't question anymore if tv or some media says this is the way then that is the way. and the thing in our lives that most of us either aspire to or purcahse is our homes and unquestioningly we buy this major investment and never say why, never ask is there a better way? homes can be built a whole lot less expensive (now wouldn't everyone like that?) be designed to run with minmum power bills, and believe it or not ther was a time when young home owners (my aprents era) wher they new waht aspect the land had to be they knew a scillion roof facing the right way was needed to keep warm in winter, just there was a lot they didn't know, but modern folk don't know any of these things. and back to water (this topic is a very wide isuue isn't it?, it goes a whole lot deeper than just drinking poo water) our ikkustriuos you know the ones we pay golden peanuts too to do the right thing by us, well he said no right of choice now! no vote/plebacide/refferendum on drinking the stuff "ya gunna get it whether you like it or not" and it's coming the way of all the other southern states and most likely at the same time. one chap on tv said "i won't let me dog drink the clean water out of the toilet bowl so no way" he says " am i going to drink the recycled water" can see huge profits for the water bottling companies hey, anyone into share protfoliios you better get some of these hey? funny thing but at the end of the day most of that bottled stuff is just outa the normal supply so it will still be recyclet potty water. On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:40:05 GMT, "meeee" wrote: "gardenlen" wrote in message .. . snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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On Jan 29, 4:29 am, gardenlen wrote: it's the indoctrination throuhg tv ads that does it, like the latest type ads not only are you supposed to blast a fly or cockroach with spray but it has to have a disinfectant in it to kill the germs they supposedly carry. all that ads that say if it smell clean it must be clean all subliminal type manipulation saying if you detect an odour then that is unclean. I think that urine left sitting in the toilet bowl for hours in the heat gets stinky. I know this because sometimes my kids use the ensuite and forget to flush. We don't watch tv. I don't care whether it is clean or not, I just don't like the smell. |
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"Terryc" wrote in message ... George.com wrote: A good start to conserving water. Another relatively easy thing to do would be to reuse grey water down the crapper (twice over then). Only problem is that that involves a few hundred dollars for a grey water system, plus a few hundred dollars for a pump to pump it back into the toilet cistern, plus a few hundred for the plumber to connect it all together, plus a few hundred for the electrician to wire it all up. It would be easier for me to just build an old pit style loo over the drop off in the back yard, excellent idea, try drilling a bore next to it for drinking water as well. 2 for the price of one. rob |
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"meeee" wrote in message
... "gardenlen" wrote in message ... len yes kylie, we came from rural of recent times where we supplied our own water, that by the way would be a great training ground for many city folk when yo ahve to wuply and mange your own water. and we had a waterless composting toilet and i still say if we humans were 1/2 as smart as what we are intellignet we would be wanting one of them in each home, the water savings would be mind boggling. i want one in MY home :-) meeee You have my wholehearted agreement on this one len! Especially about our sterile society....I refused to sterilize every item my children touched from birth...they ate dirt, grass, dog food, and on one occasion a very unlucky house spider (that wasn't planned but DS1 seemed to enjoy it) and they haven't died yet. that was my thinking too (add dead blowflies, cat kibble etc to that list) and my kids have always been extremely healthy, so i must be doing something right ;-) I did suffer being picked on by my MIL and SIL for not washing my baby twice a day....we just didnt have the water; a stinky post-nappy bum didn't kill him, and he's perfectly fine now....not sure where people got the idea that we can completely eradicate bacteria and microbes by obsessive disinfecting of everyone and everything, and that this was a good thing.... agree :-) i do also agree with len that much of it is advertising, which would aim to send people into a competition over (perceived) cleanliness (etc), in order to sell products nobody needs. it's really not a competition anyone would get involved in if they thought about it for 5 minutes. as well as agreeing with len that it's interrelated to other problems, the real problem is consumption in general. kylie |
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