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Don Staples if you claim to be a forester you should be able to define what
a forest is. Please define.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"D. Staples" wrote in message
...
Just leave? Not on you simple life, Keslick, this is alt.forestry, and
you cross posted to it, I would suggest you take your own advice.

"symplastless" wrote in message
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Don Staples
What are you? Please define yourself. I never said I was a biologist.
I said I was a tree biologist. A person who studied tree biology by a
professor with a world renown understanding of trees and their
associates.

Besides trying to get people to cut wood out of the once fertile forest
by making claims of false forest health what do you do?

Define yourself, or just leave.

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Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.


"D. Staples" wrote in message
...
I meant to ask, as a close associate of Dr. Shigo, were you in the
secretarial pool, do the floors, or clean up around the office? It would
fit right in with Keslick being a biologist. Perhaps you should stay in
zone 6a and raise your flowers..

"Ann" wrote in message
news "D. Staples" expounded:


"Billy Rose" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

Other than riding the coat tails of the good doctor, what have you
done?
He has offered advice to posters in this news group stubby. Do you
propose to take his place? Could you take his place? What would give
us
confidence that you could? What gives your criticism validity in a
medium where any phallionist can claim anything? Until you can answer
that, go intercourse yourself, anal sphincter.

**** off, crotch rot, your in over your head.

For all you're education you have a tenuous grasp of proper grammar
and the use of contractions.
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
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Its in my dictionary. Where is the dictionary you wrote?


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Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"D. Staples" wrote in message
...
define a tree biologist, that would include your training, or lack there
of.

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
Define a forest Don Staples.

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Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.

"D. Staples" wrote in message
...

"Billy Rose" wrote in message
...
In article LtMvi.1123$Gz4.695@trndny05, "Joe" wrote:

"symplastless" wrote in message
...
No Don Staples, we are very different from you.
1. We understand trees
2. We define our terms

Don Staples you claim to be a forester. Please define what you
mean by a
forest.

Most foresters have taken at least a dozen courses in forestry, after
taken
many courses in biology, along with the other countless required
college
courses. I have about 20 college texts on forestry, trees, wildlife
biology
and mgt., arboriculture, soils science, geology, etc., etc.- that tops
your
3 day courses.

I conclude that you or whoever started this thread by cross posting
should
stop the cross posting.

Even if you were a highly educated and trained arborist- arborist
issues
don't belong in alt.forestry. Perhaps, you could start a new group
called
alt.arborist. Don and myself and a few others started this newsgroup a
decade ago- it wasn't that difficult- so you could do it too then keep
your
discussions there where they belong.

Joe

Gladly, but I am posting in rec.gardens. We rarely deal with forests.
Mostly just trees. Your buddy Don could have easily brought this thread
to an end, a long time ago by entering into a civil discussion instead
of just showing attitude.

Ah, an angry rag head, as well. You could have brought this thread to
an end by stopping the crossposting, but no, you join the fray, so, have
it, crotch rot. Civil discussion has failed in the past with "the tree
biologist", and will with his invites, as well. So, as I said, ****
off, crotch rot.








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In tree biology workshops. which your chair was empty. Where was ya? Out
cutting the wood out of the once fertile forest?

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"D. Staples" wrote in message
...
You say you are a tree biologist. Here is your definition of Tree
Biology.

Tree Biology is the science that brings together anatomy, physiology,
genetics, evolution, ecology, and all other disciplines that focus on the
life of a tree as a system and how death brings healthier life.

So, Tell us, Tree Biologist, where you studied anatomy, physiology,
genetics, evolution, ecology, dendrology, silvaculture, oh, wait, you
didn't.

Do not trust a "tree biologist" who has never studied biology.





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They don't have to show a resume- they were here
when this group started and before that on bionet agroforestry.


No requirement to understand trees!

More likely
plagiarism from the good Dr.s publications.


Which you never read.

Stop cross posting to alt.
forestry and I promise- I won't cross post to alt.great lakes or
rec.gardens. This is a professional and social group where working
Foresters can blow off steam, compare issues and talk about problems.


That is what I talk about he
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/


You've been getting a pretty polite treatment so far.


Is that a threat of terrorism? Sounds like it.


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Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.


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Dick heads write dictionaries, forester do.

"symplastless" wrote in message
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Its in my dictionary. Where is the dictionary you wrote?


--
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John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.

"D. Staples" wrote in message
...
define a tree biologist, that would include your training, or lack there
of.

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
Define a forest Don Staples.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep
reminding us that we are not the boss.

"D. Staples" wrote in message
...

"Billy Rose" wrote in message
...
In article LtMvi.1123$Gz4.695@trndny05, "Joe" wrote:

"symplastless" wrote in message
...
No Don Staples, we are very different from you.
1. We understand trees
2. We define our terms

Don Staples you claim to be a forester. Please define what you
mean by a
forest.

Most foresters have taken at least a dozen courses in forestry, after
taken
many courses in biology, along with the other countless required
college
courses. I have about 20 college texts on forestry, trees, wildlife
biology
and mgt., arboriculture, soils science, geology, etc., etc.- that
tops your
3 day courses.

I conclude that you or whoever started this thread by cross posting
should
stop the cross posting.

Even if you were a highly educated and trained arborist- arborist
issues
don't belong in alt.forestry. Perhaps, you could start a new group
called
alt.arborist. Don and myself and a few others started this newsgroup
a
decade ago- it wasn't that difficult- so you could do it too then
keep your
discussions there where they belong.

Joe

Gladly, but I am posting in rec.gardens. We rarely deal with forests.
Mostly just trees. Your buddy Don could have easily brought this
thread
to an end, a long time ago by entering into a civil discussion instead
of just showing attitude.

Ah, an angry rag head, as well. You could have brought this thread to
an end by stopping the crossposting, but no, you join the fray, so,
have it, crotch rot. Civil discussion has failed in the past with "the
tree biologist", and will with his invites, as well. So, as I said,
**** off, crotch rot.












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"symplastless" wrote in message
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In tree biology workshops. which your chair was empty. Where was ya?
Out cutting the wood out of the once fertile forest?

You seem to be a typical dumb ass, who thinks all foresters do is cut wood.
Tell me, "tree biologist" do you work in virgin forests, or in the forests
(all east of the Mississippi) that have been created through forestry?


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In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

"Billy Rose" wrote in message
...
In article LtMvi.1123$Gz4.695@trndny05, "Joe" wrote:

"symplastless" wrote in message
...
No Don Staples, we are very different from you.
1. We understand trees
2. We define our terms

Don Staples you claim to be a forester. Please define what you mean
by a
forest.

Most foresters have taken at least a dozen courses in forestry, after
taken
many courses in biology, along with the other countless required college
courses. I have about 20 college texts on forestry, trees, wildlife
biology
and mgt., arboriculture, soils science, geology, etc., etc.- that tops
your
3 day courses.

I conclude that you or whoever started this thread by cross posting
should
stop the cross posting.

Even if you were a highly educated and trained arborist- arborist issues
don't belong in alt.forestry. Perhaps, you could start a new group called
alt.arborist. Don and myself and a few others started this newsgroup a
decade ago- it wasn't that difficult- so you could do it too then keep
your
discussions there where they belong.

Joe


Gladly, but I am posting in rec.gardens. We rarely deal with forests.
Mostly just trees. Your buddy Don could have easily brought this thread
to an end, a long time ago by entering into a civil discussion instead
of just showing attitude.


Ah, an angry rag head, as well. You could have brought this thread to an
end by stopping the crossposting, but no, you join the fray, so, have it,
crotch rot. Civil discussion has failed in the past with "the tree
biologist", and will with his invites, as well. So, as I said, **** off,
crotch rot.


Heavens, I didn't think that you and "Civil Discussion" were even on a
nodding acquaintance.

I'm sorry John, I was just looking at the Massachusetts requirements for
Forestry. I'm reminded of the smile that used to pass among physical
scientists when a biologist was around. Today what passes for a
biologist is a bio-chemist. I think if you required long division from
these idiots they would fold-up. Have you read "Fastfood Nation"? The
upshot of the whole deal is that you can find want adds for doctors
these days. People can come in off the street and are taught doctor
skills to free up doctors and nurses and make fewer of them necessary
and generate more profits for the hospitals investors.

I'm pretty sure that these folks don't want to end up in their golden
years flipping hamburgers at McDonalds and if you call yourself an
"arborist" without suffering what they suffered, then you are a threat.
Joe particularly got worked up over manual laborers and how little
training that they required. And thats all there is to it John, you are
a threat to them.

They have taken Forest Science I, II, and III, sorry, but not the most
intellectually challenging classes in the world, and now work they work
for the government, which gives them no respect. You on the other hand
have taken a number of three day classes, started your own business, and
are treated as a professional. LOL

Hey, Massachusetts, you can do it cheaper.

Stubby, super size that will ya?
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In article .com,
szilagyic wrote:

Just came across this information on preventing and killing emerald
ash borers. I live in Michigan and we are getting infested all over
in our area. Trees are dying everywhere and our local municipalities
are destroying ash trees which isn't doing a thing except making areas
look like wastelands.

Finally we found a tree in our yard that seems to be getting infested
now. After some talking around and doing some online research, I have
found there might be hope to prevent these borers from killing more
trees. Although it could be expensive depending on your situation,
there is a product out there called "Bayer Advanced Gardenâ„¢ Tree and
Shrub Insect Control" that has been proven effective on killing/
preventing ash borers. Best of all, it's simple to use. Just mix &
pour around the base of the tree and you're done for 12 months.

See this PDF for further info:

http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/E2955.pdf

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Chris


Stubby and the rest of you bureaucratic flunkies, this is who started
the cross post, not John or myself. He seems like he was trying to do a
good thing until you went cranial rectal inversion on us.

Oh, by the way, could you tell me where the slope is zero in the curve x
squared minus four?

Massachusetts, you could do better. Don't these Foresters have better
things to do, punch clocks, write reports, do push-up, than to hassle
honest tax payers? This is an egregious waste of tax payer money. Put
them to work.

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[crossposted groups snipped (including a.g.a. which you added with this
post]

Billy Rose said:

[...]

Stubby and the rest of you bureaucratic flunkies, this is who started
the cross post, not John or myself.


Actually, the OP started the crossposting in
Message-ID: .com

Adding a.g.a. had no bearing on this thread.

[rest snipped]

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"D. Staples" expounded:

I meant to ask, as a close associate of Dr. Shigo, were you in the
secretarial pool, do the floors, or clean up around the office? It would
fit right in with Keslick being a biologist. Perhaps you should stay in
zone 6a and raise your flowers..


Listen, Donny-boy, I'm no fan of any of this. Why don't you snip your
childish crossposts and go away from rec.gardens? Hmmm?
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On Aug 13, 3:27 am, mhagen wrote:
symplastless wrote:
"symplastless" wrote in message
Training with out education makes robots.
Education without training makes?


Training without education makes robots. Education without training makes
waste. Both are needed; training and education.


100 Tree Myths Shigo page 8


Billy Rose, symplastless - this sounds like a cult.

You respond like spoiled 8 year olds. If you've actually gotten paid for
this and you think this thread is helping your career, you must live in
bum****, egypt and have a lot of truly ignorant clients. You do know
what the Usenet is, right? Anybody who can punch up Google can read
your inane and callow retorts. And you think they won't research you? Ha!

You whine about Don's or Joe's credentials but show no scientific rigor
in your own statements. They don't have to show a resume- they were here
when this group started and before that on bionet agroforestry. We
started these groups. You repeat yourself constantly- perhaps you're
brain damaged. You seem to have derived your knowledge, if that's what
you call it, directly from divine inspiration- Ezekiel, eh? More likely
plagiarism from the good Dr.s publications. Stop cross posting to alt.
forestry and I promise- I won't cross post to alt.great lakes or
rec.gardens. This is a professional and social group where working
Foresters can blow off steam, compare issues and talk about problems.
You've been getting a pretty polite treatment so far.


He has a point, when shall all of you settle down and start talking
about trees? Tree talk is much more interesting than all the back and
forth arguing.

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Please define what you mean when you say "forest". In other words when you
say forest, what do you mean?


--
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John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"D. Staples" wrote in message
...

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
In tree biology workshops. which your chair was empty. Where was ya?
Out cutting the wood out of the once fertile forest?

You seem to be a typical dumb ass, who thinks all foresters do is cut
wood. Tell me, "tree biologist" do you work in virgin forests, or in the
forests (all east of the Mississippi) that have been created through
forestry?



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I believe it was the TREE BIOLOGIST who cross posted- get him to stop cross
posting and we can go back to our own realities.

Joe


"Ann" wrote in message
...
"D. Staples" expounded:

I meant to ask, as a close associate of Dr. Shigo, were you in the
secretarial pool, do the floors, or clean up around the office? It would
fit right in with Keslick being a biologist. Perhaps you should stay in
zone 6a and raise your flowers..


Listen, Donny-boy, I'm no fan of any of this. Why don't you snip your
childish crossposts and go away from rec.gardens? Hmmm?
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South of Boston, Massachusetts
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Treelady, et, Al.

The only reason you find "Symplastless" to have a good understanding of
trees is that you are ignorant.

Note that I stated "ignorant" and not stupid. My statement is not an
insult, but rather a logical reply based on your input.

It is obvious that none of the rest of you have enough experience with
Emerald Ash Borer (EAB) to offer advice or experience with the critter.

So, instead this thread becomes a fury of insults. How ridiculously
selfish.

I am the only one who has offered any positive information about this
topic, with the exception of the person who started this thread - and
that person was *NOT* "Symplastless".

Just because "Symplastless" has a "good understanding of trees" (a
statement coming from someone ("Treelady") who may or may not have
credentials), doesn't mean he knows anything about EAB.

His offer that healthy trees respond more vigorously to fend off disease
and pathogens as a response to an EAB infection speaks volumes to his
ignorance of the matter.

"D. Staples", a forester in the SE *IS* educated, as is "Joe" (a
forester in the NE.) There are other professional people who serve the
posters on this newsgroup as well. We all have paid our dues serving
the public, serving private and group land ownerships and acquiring a
degree from different universities.

This is something that Keslick ("Symplastless") has *NOT* done.

....and his lack of knowledge on the subject matter, along with his
self-marketing is a typical combination of a scam artist.

THIS is why I suggested to the original poster to simply ignore him.

I'd recommend that advice to my colleague D. Staples once again too.

(Note to Don, cheap entertainment yes - but there are bigger bangs for
the buck so to speak).

As to you other faux geniuses out there, (e.g. "Billy Rose"), please
take the mensa test and see how you score. I suspect that you will not
fare as well as you think.

Regards,
Geoff

Treelady wrote:

"I find Symplastless to have a good understanding of trees, theier
biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the
teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about
trees without due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a
pinch of salt."






On Aug 8, 7:48 pm, Geoff-consulting forester in the US
wrote:
I'm a registered forester in Michigan, Pat.

Ignore this "symplastless" guy... he's a wanna-be forester.
Lacking some serious formal education, and thus professional background.

Myself and my colleagues have had to sort through the majority of his
posts on this forum.

I do not believe that the American ash is "history", but there is no
doubt the bug has done some serious damage to many of our hardwood
stands in the central lower peninsula (or "810" area code as I call it -
even though the actual problem extends far beyond that area code's
boundaries).

I live in Osceola county (just South of Cadillac) and it has been found
in my county, but not doing damage to the extent that it did in lower
Michigan. I have not yet seen it in a stand up here. I hope it
continues that way.

The biggest problem is vectoring. It cannot vector itself very far
(maybe a mile or two), but people can vector it very broad and very fast
via cars, hence the "moving firewood bugs me" campaign.

Once it gets to a place where there are any form of ash trees, it goes
on a feeding frenzy that is like no other.

I've sold timber in Defiance County, Ohio - which was also one of the
EAB problem areas, but timber in NW Ohio is scattered enough as to not
be a problem for EABs.

EAB resistance is more than likely a futile attempt. The best way to
eliminate the problem is to eliminate the hosts where populations of EAB
are found. This critter is not known to prey on other trees.Pat Kiewicz wrote:
symplastless said:
Product pusher. Bayer also claims to be a feeder of trees as well.
You'll learn to sing some other tune when these insects arrive in your
neck of the woods. They are a monumental catastrophe. I live near
ground zero. Millions of ash trees, in forests and back yards, have
been killed. The non-native emerald ash borer attacks healthy trees
as well as stressed trees. The skeletons of dead ash in nearby wildlands
eerie and obvious. All due to a surprisingly small green beetle.
Long term (maybe very long term indeed), breeding resistant strains of
North American ash and finding appropriate biological controls will be
needed or the American ash is history.
http://www.emeraldashborer.info/
Should I Replant or Save My Ash? (PowerPoint presentation):
http://www.emeraldashborer.info/file...ProtectAsh.htm
Options for 'do it yourself' homeowners unwilling to give up on their
ash trees:
http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/E2955.pdf
(As for me, if I had to make a choice, I would the ash tree removed
and be done with it.)
Quote fromhttp://www.emeraldashborer.info/homeownerinfo.cfm
"IMPORTANT NOTE: Using insecticides to control EAB on ash trees is an
option in Michigan and the EAB quarantined counties in Ohio, Indiana
and Illinois. If your tree is located within an area designated for
eradication or suppression activities, it may be removed by regulatory
agencies even if it has been treated. In those cases where government-
ordered tree removals occur within the contiguous EAB quarantine
counties, consideration will be given to ash trees treated by certified
applicators utilizing methods and materials recommended by Michigan
State University. If your ash trees are located outside of this area in
Michigan, Indiana, Illinois or Ohio, using insecticides may not be
recommended. If you are not sure about the regulatory status of your
area or whether you should consider insecticides, please contact your
county Extension office."




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Treelady, et, Al.

The only reason you find "Symplastless" to have a good understanding of
trees is that you are ignorant.

Note that I stated "ignorant" and not stupid. My statement is not an
insult, but rather a logical reply based on your input.

It is obvious that none of the rest of you have enough experience with
Emerald Ash Borer (EAB) to offer advice or experience with the critter.

So, instead this thread becomes a fury of insults. How ridiculously
selfish.

I am the only one who has offered any positive information about this
topic, with the exception of the person who started this thread - and
that person was *NOT* "Symplastless".

Just because "Symplastless" has a "good understanding of trees" (a
statement coming from someone ("Treelady") who may or may not have
credentials), doesn't mean he knows anything about EAB.

His offer that healthy trees respond more vigorously to fend off disease
and pathogens as a response to an EAB infection speaks volumes to his
ignorance of the matter.

"D. Staples", a forester in the SE *IS* educated, as is "Joe" (a
forester in the NE.) There are other professional people who serve the
posters on this newsgroup as well. We all have paid our dues serving
the public, serving private and group land ownerships and acquiring a
degree from different universities.

This is something that Keslick ("Symplastless") has *NOT* done.

....and his lack of knowledge on the subject matter, along with his
self-marketing is a typical combination of a scam artist.

THIS is why I suggested to the original poster to simply ignore him.

I'd recommend that advice to my colleague D. Staples once again too.

(Note to Don, cheap entertainment yes - but there are bigger bangs for
the buck so to speak).

As to you other faux geniuses out there, (e.g. "Billy Rose"), please
take the mensa test and see how you score. I suspect that you will not
fare as well as you think.

Regards,
Geoff

Treelady wrote:

"I find Symplastless to have a good understanding of trees, theier
biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the
teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about
trees without due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a
pinch of salt."






On Aug 8, 7:48 pm, Geoff-consulting forester in the US
wrote:
I'm a registered forester in Michigan, Pat.

Ignore this "symplastless" guy... he's a wanna-be forester.
Lacking some serious formal education, and thus professional background.

Myself and my colleagues have had to sort through the majority of his
posts on this forum.

I do not believe that the American ash is "history", but there is no
doubt the bug has done some serious damage to many of our hardwood
stands in the central lower peninsula (or "810" area code as I call it -
even though the actual problem extends far beyond that area code's
boundaries).

I live in Osceola county (just South of Cadillac) and it has been found
in my county, but not doing damage to the extent that it did in lower
Michigan. I have not yet seen it in a stand up here. I hope it
continues that way.

The biggest problem is vectoring. It cannot vector itself very far
(maybe a mile or two), but people can vector it very broad and very fast
via cars, hence the "moving firewood bugs me" campaign.

Once it gets to a place where there are any form of ash trees, it goes
on a feeding frenzy that is like no other.

I've sold timber in Defiance County, Ohio - which was also one of the
EAB problem areas, but timber in NW Ohio is scattered enough as to not
be a problem for EABs.

EAB resistance is more than likely a futile attempt. The best way to
eliminate the problem is to eliminate the hosts where populations of EAB
are found. This critter is not known to prey on other trees.Pat Kiewicz wrote:
symplastless said:
Product pusher. Bayer also claims to be a feeder of trees as well.
You'll learn to sing some other tune when these insects arrive in your
neck of the woods. They are a monumental catastrophe. I live near
ground zero. Millions of ash trees, in forests and back yards, have
been killed. The non-native emerald ash borer attacks healthy trees
as well as stressed trees. The skeletons of dead ash in nearby wildlands
eerie and obvious. All due to a surprisingly small green beetle.
Long term (maybe very long term indeed), breeding resistant strains of
North American ash and finding appropriate biological controls will be
needed or the American ash is history.
http://www.emeraldashborer.info/
Should I Replant or Save My Ash? (PowerPoint presentation):
http://www.emeraldashborer.info/file...ProtectAsh.htm
Options for 'do it yourself' homeowners unwilling to give up on their
ash trees:
http://www.emeraldashborer.info/files/E2955.pdf
(As for me, if I had to make a choice, I would the ash tree removed
and be done with it.)
Quote fromhttp://www.emeraldashborer.info/homeownerinfo.cfm
"IMPORTANT NOTE: Using insecticides to control EAB on ash trees is an
option in Michigan and the EAB quarantined counties in Ohio, Indiana
and Illinois. If your tree is located within an area designated for
eradication or suppression activities, it may be removed by regulatory
agencies even if it has been treated. In those cases where government-
ordered tree removals occur within the contiguous EAB quarantine
counties, consideration will be given to ash trees treated by certified
applicators utilizing methods and materials recommended by Michigan
State University. If your ash trees are located outside of this area in
Michigan, Indiana, Illinois or Ohio, using insecticides may not be
recommended. If you are not sure about the regulatory status of your
area or whether you should consider insecticides, please contact your
county Extension office."




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