Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case
Sensitive.

Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._planting.html

Improper Mulching -
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html

Improper Pruning
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning

Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry)
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html

Tree Farming and Related Problems
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/

Troubles in the Rhizosphere
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html


For lucid information on the care of trees and their associates I would most
highly recommend www.shigoandtrees.com . Dr Shigo taught A NEW TREE BIOLOGY
worldwide. His stuff was translated in, but not limited to, Spanish,
German, Japanese, Italian, etc. It was common for him to be dissecting
trees in, but not limited to, Australia, Germany, Spain, Italy and of course
USA which I attended and dissected trees more than most people, not as much
as some. I recommend this site for your tree care requirements.

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.

In article ,
"symplastless" wrote:

Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case
Sensitive.

Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._planting.html

Improper Mulching -
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html

Improper Pruning
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning

Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry)
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html

Tree Farming and Related Problems
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/

Troubles in the Rhizosphere
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html


For lucid information on the care of trees and their associates I would most
highly recommend www.shigoandtrees.com . Dr Shigo taught A NEW TREE BIOLOGY
worldwide. His stuff was translated in, but not limited to, Spanish,
German, Japanese, Italian, etc. It was common for him to be dissecting
trees in, but not limited to, Australia, Germany, Spain, Italy and of course
USA which I attended and dissected trees more than most people, not as much
as some. I recommend this site for your tree care requirements.

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.

Hello

autism
noun Psychiatry
a mental condition, present from early childhood, characterized by great
difficulty in communicating and forming relationships with other people
and in using language and abstract concepts.
€ a mental condition in which fantasy dominates over reality, as a
symptom of schizophrenia and other disorders.

If your not autistic, then go to alt.forestry, or some other site,
answer a question when it's ask, not just to see your name on the screen.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

Hello

autism
noun Psychiatry
a mental condition, present from early childhood,
characterized by great difficulty in communicating and
forming relationships with other people and in using
language and abstract concepts. € a mental condition in
which fantasy dominates over reality, as a symptom of
schizophrenia and other disorders.

um, Billy? this is NOT a definition of autism &, as an
autistic person, i'm a little insulted by this.
Keslik may be nuts, but he's not likely autistic.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

In article ,
enigma wrote:

Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

Hello

autism
noun Psychiatry
a mental condition, present from early childhood,
characterized by great difficulty in communicating and
forming relationships with other people and in using
language and abstract concepts. € a mental condition in
which fantasy dominates over reality, as a symptom of
schizophrenia and other disorders.

um, Billy? this is NOT a definition of autism &, as an
autistic person, i'm a little insulted by this.
Keslik may be nuts, but he's not likely autistic.
lee

Sorry Lee, I'm just working with the tools that society has
given me. At first blush, you must admit that down to the bullet
it sounds like our friend John. I agree that none of the above
describes your behavior. I presume that a real definition of
autism would fill a library but I (like that other famous Bill)
can only use the definitions that the dictionary gives me.

Autism * Is a pervasive developmental disability (PDD) that is
usually diagnosed within the first three years of life. The major
areas of development impacted are the child¹s ability to
communicate, and acquire social skills.
http://www.autismedu.com/glossary.html

Being closer to the issue, do you have a more relevant definition?
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html

Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

Sorry Lee, I'm just working with the tools that society has
given me. At first blush, you must admit that down to the
bullet it sounds like our friend John. I agree that none of
the above describes your behavior. I presume that a real
definition of autism would fill a library but I (like that
other famous Bill) can only use the definitions that the
dictionary gives me.

it's this part: "€ a mental condition in
which fantasy dominates over reality, as a symptom of
schizophrenia and other disorders. " that i object to. i
don't know any austistics, child or adult, that have fantasy
dominating reality issues. autistics generally *can't*
pretend. we're hyper-realistic, overly logical, non-emotional.
we don't *get* playing pretend.
that whole phrase might pertain to schizophrenics, but not to
autistics at all.

Autism * Is a pervasive developmental disability (PDD) that
is usually diagnosed within the first three years of life.
The major areas of development impacted are the child¹s
ability to communicate, and acquire social skills.
http://www.autismedu.com/glossary.html

yup. at least for some on the spectrum. then there are the
asperger types... they can talk the bark off a tree, if the
topic interests them.
my son was a non-talker, but his was due to apraxia of
speech, not the autism. he's pretty aspie, really.

Being closer to the issue, do you have a more relevant
definition?

try taking a look around this site:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/

between the radiation, 3 weeks of rain & trying to get my
house organized, i'm too wiped to be coherent right now. it's
a look at autism from the inside, what bothers us, what we
think.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

Lee, get some rest. This discussion can wait, if it need
be had at all. I'm sorry that I disturbed you, I was just trying
to get John's attention because he manifestly displays classic
symptoms of autism. You on the other hand can banter, which must
be freakin' rare for someone with autism or Asperger syndrome.
Just being categorized would put me off the deep end (Oh, he's one
of them!!?). It is just an intellectual construct that has meaning, only
if we accept it. But hey, shrinks gotta eat too ;o)

Bonne nuit and schlaft gut. 'Nuff said.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html

Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

Lee, get some rest. This discussion can wait, if it need
be had at all. I'm sorry that I disturbed you, I was just
trying to get John's attention because he manifestly
displays classic symptoms of autism. You on the other hand
can banter, which must be freakin' rare for someone with
autism or Asperger syndrome. Just being categorized would
put me off the deep end (Oh, he's one of them!!?). It is
just an intellectual construct that has meaning, only if we
accept it. But hey, shrinks gotta eat too ;o)

not really, there are probably more high functioning autistics
& asperger's people in society than there are low functioning
autistics... but the low-functioning ones are highlighted more
because they're good for fundraising (sad, but true. they
*use* those poor people for gain).
actually, i suspect John may be an Aspie, because he really
fixates on that one tiny little area though.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

On Aug 13, 6:48�am, Billy wrote:
Lee, get some rest. This discussion can wait, if it need
be had at all. I'm sorry that I disturbed you, I was just trying
to get John's attention because he manifestly displays classic
symptoms of autism. You on the other hand can banter, which must
be freakin' rare for someone with autism orAspergersyndrome.
Just being categorized would put me off the deep end (Oh, he's one
of them!!?). It is just an intellectual construct that has meaning, only
if we accept it. But hey, shrinks gotta eat too ;o)

Bonne nuit and schlaft gut. 'Nuff said.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html



This is a misconception that it is rare for someone with Autism or
Asperger's to 'banter'.

I have Asperger's and I am quite happy to banter. You see, Billy, if
that is your name, when you are intelligent, you can do ANYTHING!!

I can share with you that people on the Autistic spectrum can also (as
well as banter): drive a car, fly a plane, programme, move forward
science, modern understanding of math, genetics, physics, medicine,
antropology and pretty much anythiung requiring high intellect and
higher than usual levels of concentration (yes, you have to be on the
Autistic spectrum to have higher levels of concentration. Neurotypical
people 'get bored' and wander off to 'chat' and socialise, play games,
gossip, plot their rise to the next step on social ladder - whatever
makes them happy!)

We also meet others like ourselves, fall in love, marry, have kids,
buy our own homes, work hard (not in that order - in any order it
happens to be, actually, we're not rigid), pursue our 'special
interests' (seem like obsessions to NTs) and also while we're at it -
actively work at saving the planet, its' animals, including human
animals and generally better the world by being driven to do the right
thing and stand up for justice and fairness, because it's logical and
correct (and we don't like anything that is illiogical and incorrect -
it cause our internal 'program' go come crashing down).

So, Billy, you see, we do banter and can do it. But why? when there's
so much serious stuff we can discuss, stuff that can make a
difference? Chit-chat about shit makes no difference to anyone and
wastes time. But we're CAPABLE of taking part in this irrational past
time, we just most of the time choose NOT TO!

LOL :-)))))

Roza, the beautiful Autistic gal

www.myspace.com/rozagy

On Aug 13, 12:50�pm, enigma wrote:
Billy wrote
ct.net.au:

Lee, get some rest. This discussion can wait, if it need
be had at all. I'm sorry that I disturbed you, I was just
trying to get John's attention because he manifestly
displays classic symptoms of autism. You on the other hand
can banter, which must be freakin' rare for someone with
autism orAspergersyndrome. Just being categorized would
put me off the deep end (Oh, he's one of them!!?). It is
just an intellectual construct that has meaning, only if we
accept it. But hey, shrinks gotta eat too ;o)

not really, there are probably more high functioning autistics
&asperger'speople in society than there are low functioning
autistics... but the low-functioning ones are highlighted more
because they're good for fundraising (sad, but true. they
*use* those poor people for gain).
�actually, i suspect John may be an Aspie, because he really
fixates on that one tiny little area though.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

There ARE indeed a lot of adults with Asperger's in society, but most
are either undiagnosed or don't even realise it themselves that they
are Aspies.

Unfortunately, it's not a very sexy subject for the media and since we
know about our modern world through the media, whatever gets
overlooked by them - is not known to general masesses. But hopefully,
not for long.

When Barack Obama is finally in power, he'll roll out a huge Autism
awarenesss programme (he already earmarked 1 billion US dollars a year
for Autism research, better diagnosis and support of autistic people
of all ages and abilities).

if you haven't seen his Autism and Asperger's manifesto - check it
out, it's pretty impressive (I alslo kinda like his proposed Energy
bill).

best to all,

Roza
(Rozagy)

www.myspace.com/rozagy

"Rozagy, artistic Autistic" wrote in

oups.com:

There ARE indeed a lot of adults with Asperger's in
society, but most are either undiagnosed or don't even
realise it themselves that they are Aspies.

i didn't know until i was almost 50. explains a lot though

Unfortunately, it's not a very sexy subject for the media
and since we know about our modern world through the media,
whatever gets overlooked by them - is not known to general
masesses. But hopefully, not for long.

not only is it not "sexy", it really kills the modern 'autism
epidemic' mantra that the curebies love so much.

When Barack Obama is finally in power, he'll roll out a
huge Autism awarenesss programme (he already earmarked 1
billion US dollars a year for Autism research, better
diagnosis and support of autistic people of all ages and
abilities).

uh oh... i don't like the sounds of this...

if you haven't seen his Autism and Asperger's manifesto -
check it out, it's pretty impressive (I alslo kinda like
his proposed Energy bill).

gots links? i just can't see him taking on Autism Speaks
spit
i'm not crazy about his energy plans, but they do beat
McCain's "oil as usual" ideas
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

In article ,
enigma wrote:

"Rozagy, artistic Autistic" wrote in

oups.com:

There ARE indeed a lot of adults with Asperger's in
society, but most are either undiagnosed or don't even
realise it themselves that they are Aspies.

i didn't know until i was almost 50. explains a lot though

Unfortunately, it's not a very sexy subject for the media
and since we know about our modern world through the media,
whatever gets overlooked by them - is not known to general
masesses. But hopefully, not for long.

not only is it not "sexy", it really kills the modern 'autism
epidemic' mantra that the curebies love so much.

When Barack Obama is finally in power, he'll roll out a
huge Autism awarenesss programme (he already earmarked 1
billion US dollars a year for Autism research, better
diagnosis and support of autistic people of all ages and
abilities).

uh oh... i don't like the sounds of this...

if you haven't seen his Autism and Asperger's manifesto -
check it out, it's pretty impressive (I alslo kinda like
his proposed Energy bill).

gots links? i just can't see him taking on Autism Speaks
spit
i'm not crazy about his energy plans, but they do beat
McCain's "oil as usual" ideas
lee

My other teaches special Ed here in N.J. We were discussing some
points in this tread. Ingrid does not post.

Seems young folks that she comes in contact with are intelligent but
have difficulties in relating to others. On the surface it is as simple
as that. However self and other resonates well with many philosophical
issues. Who are we interacting with if there is no others. Murky but I
did not create the system just falling though it.

Bill

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

In article
,
"Rozagy, artistic Autistic" wrote:

On Aug 13, 6:48?am, Billy wrote:
Lee, get some rest. This discussion can wait, if it need
be had at all. I'm sorry that I disturbed you, I was just trying
to get John's attention because he manifestly displays classic
symptoms of autism. You on the other hand can banter, which must
be freakin' rare for someone with autism orAspergersyndrome.
Just being categorized would put me off the deep end (Oh, he's one
of them!!?). It is just an intellectual construct that has meaning, only
if we accept it. But hey, shrinks gotta eat too ;o)

Bonne nuit and schlaft gut. 'Nuff said.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind
Barshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.nethttp://www.haa
retz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html



This is a misconception that it is rare for someone with Autism or
Asperger's to 'banter'.

I have Asperger's and I am quite happy to banter. You see, Billy, if
that is your name, when you are intelligent, you can do ANYTHING!!

I can share with you that people on the Autistic spectrum can also (as
well as banter): drive a car, fly a plane, programme, move forward
science, modern understanding of math, genetics, physics, medicine,
antropology and pretty much anythiung requiring high intellect and
higher than usual levels of concentration (yes, you have to be on the
Autistic spectrum to have higher levels of concentration. Neurotypical
people 'get bored' and wander off to 'chat' and socialise, play games,
gossip, plot their rise to the next step on social ladder - whatever
makes them happy!)

We also meet others like ourselves, fall in love, marry, have kids,
buy our own homes, work hard (not in that order - in any order it
happens to be, actually, we're not rigid), pursue our 'special
interests' (seem like obsessions to NTs) and also while we're at it -
actively work at saving the planet, its' animals, including human
animals and generally better the world by being driven to do the right
thing and stand up for justice and fairness, because it's logical and
correct (and we don't like anything that is illiogical and incorrect -
it cause our internal 'program' go come crashing down).

So, Billy, you see, we do banter and can do it. But why? when there's
so much serious stuff we can discuss, stuff that can make a
difference? Chit-chat about shit makes no difference to anyone and
wastes time. But we're CAPABLE of taking part in this irrational past
time, we just most of the time choose NOT TO!

LOL :-)))))

Roza, the beautiful Autistic gal

www.myspace.com/rozagy

Uh - huh.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/banter
banter

transitive verb
1: to speak to or address in a witty and teasing manner

I got the teasing part. Where does the witty part come in?
Your self description reads more like a parts list, not banter.
Banter is the human part of the conversation. You know, like
mathematicians saying, "mathematics for no reason at all, just for
its' own sake". So, it is with banter as well. So why the need to
study autism and asperger syndrome, when obviously you are the new
ubermench?

I'm glad that things are going well for you, and that you are able
to pass for "bright";O)
are the new ubermench?
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"symplastless" wrote:

Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case
Sensitive.

Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20..._planting.html

Improper Mulching -
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html

Improper Pruning
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning

Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry)
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html

Tree Farming and Related Problems
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/

Troubles in the Rhizosphere
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html


For lucid information on the care of trees and their associates I would
most
highly recommend www.shigoandtrees.com . Dr Shigo taught A NEW TREE
BIOLOGY
worldwide. His stuff was translated in, but not limited to, Spanish,
German, Japanese, Italian, etc. It was common for him to be dissecting
trees in, but not limited to, Australia, Germany, Spain, Italy and of
course
USA which I attended and dissected trees more than most people, not as
much
as some. I recommend this site for your tree care requirements.

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books
that
will give them understanding.

Hello

autism
noun Psychiatry
a mental condition, present from early childhood, characterized by great
difficulty in communicating and forming relationships with other people
and in using language and abstract concepts.
? a mental condition in which fantasy dominates over reality, as a
symptom of schizophrenia and other disorders.

If your not autistic, then go to alt.forestry, or some other site,
answer a question when it's ask, not just to see your name on the screen.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

You do not dictate the news group. I do not follow your instructions. I
will continue with my information process for those that require help. You
really do not have anything to say to me. I tried to overlook your
controlling attitude but I have given up on trying to be your friend. If
you have point with some of my instructions then feel free. However I am a
tree person and will continue to address the most common problems for trees.
Please stop interfering with my educational process. And as far as Bush and
Pelosi Behind Bars, maybe you should spend some time behind bars.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.

Lee

You have words about me and I do not think you know me. Did we meet
somewhere. In a tree biology workshop somewhere? Again if you have issue
with my instructions based on tree biology then lets here it.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.
"enigma" wrote in message
.. .
Billy wrote in

ct.net.au:

Hello

autism
noun Psychiatry
a mental condition, present from early childhood,
characterized by great difficulty in communicating and
forming relationships with other people and in using
language and abstract concepts. ? a mental condition in
which fantasy dominates over reality, as a symptom of
schizophrenia and other disorders.

um, Billy? this is NOT a definition of autism &, as an
autistic person, i'm a little insulted by this.
Keslik may be nuts, but he's not likely autistic.
lee
--
Last night while sitting in my chair
I pinged a host that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
The host resolved to NSA.

"Jangchub" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:04:20 -0400, "symplastless"
wrote:

You do not dictate the news group.

That's right. You do.

I do not follow your instructions. I
will continue with my information process for those that require help.
You
really do not have anything to say to me. I tried to overlook your
controlling attitude but I have given up on trying to be your friend. If
you have point with some of my instructions then feel free. However I am
a
tree person and will continue to address the most common problems for
trees.
Please stop interfering with my educational process. And as far as Bush
and
Pelosi Behind Bars, maybe you should spend some time behind bars.

Should someone plant a cherry tree in hard soil?


Define soil.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.