"Dave Liquorice" wrote in
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:32:49 +0000, Victoria Clare wrote:

I have some irregular paving, over which people might trip.

Ah now you have left a hazard unrepaired/marked/fenced off. You have a
duty of care to *everyone* who visits your property. If someone did
trip on that paving and break a leg/ankle WHY they *do* have a claim
against you.

Indeed. My point was that the risk is very unlikely. (The paving is in the
back garden, well out of everyone's way but mine)

Victoria

"Jason Pope" wrote in message
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I never said pacemaker! Some people are arrythmic and a shock could stop
the heart.

snip

A surprisingly large number of people die from licking the electrodes of
batteries every year, basically a shock of the order of milli amps and/or
milli volts is actually enough to kill, the timing just needs to be precise,
and the person somewhat unlucky.
D

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from Jason Pope contains these words:

Well what was the twit doing climbing into someone's garden and touching
the electric fence? If he dies, how can he sue?

He can't,..........his family can,.....as in that case wheret he farmer
shot the burgler!!

No civil case has been brought against Tony Martin.

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The legal risks of, say, owning a car which you might accidentally drive
into someone, or a dog, which might bite someone, strike me as much
greater than those of installing a humble electric fence in your garden.

Victoria

That might be the case, but it doesn't negate that having an electric
fence in your garden is illegal!

Try it and see!

It is not illegal to have an electric fence in your garden. I had one in
my *FRONT* garden for fifteen years, and as a holder of firearms
(handguns and rifles as well as a range of shotguns) was visited by the
dibble on a regular basis.

(There was probably more danger from the pong of the billy goat than the
electricity.)

A shock from an electric fence is highly unlikely to kill anyone,
however dicky a ticker he/she has. My doctor when asked, said the risk
could be ignored, and it wasn't the risk of shocking trespassers I was
worried about, it was the health of my customers.

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The message is clear.....
If you live in an area where you are likely to have a visit from an intruder
who has a heart condition and a pacemaker and who crawls around on his/her
hands and knees then forget the electric fence.
With a fence height of 9 to 12 inches you wont even feel a thing if you are
wearing trousers, jeans etc.

And unless your heart is in your boots........

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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:21:16 -0000, "David Hill"
wrote:

The message is clear.....
If you live in an area where you are likely to have a visit from an
intruder
who has a heart condition and a pacemaker and who crawls around on his/her
hands and knees then forget the electric fence.
With a fence height of 9 to 12 inches you wont even feel a thing if you are
wearing trousers, jeans etc.

unless one urinates on it, whilst trying to get the compost going.

Ah, but since the possible amperage is so slight you'd only feel a
little prick.

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/snip/
Making the presumption that the defendant acted in self-defence any
stronger would mean sanctioning a disproportionate response,
encouraging householders to use guns, electric fences and rottweilers.
It might also fall foul of the right to life guarantee in the Human
Rights Act, which comes into force this October.

However, it is the *DUTY* of a citizen to try to prevent the commission
of a serious crime. If the intruder is trespassing with intent to steal,
this is a serious crime, and if the wording of the law hasn't been
changed since the term 'felony' was superceded by 'serious crime', he
may use 'any means at his disposal to do so'.

Assuming that wording still to be in force, I think that would have got
Tony Martin off if it had been argued, as the trespasser would still
have been in commission of the crime while he
was on private property whether he was fleeing or not.

The 'reasonable force' does not come into it as it is permitted rather
than obligatory.

Heh! I can see this thread outrunning the Wages of Sin one. Cue Rajinder!

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or does it in the dark.

... while not wearing any trousers!

I hope this garden doesn't have a pyracantha hedge. That would do the
trouserless nightime burglar a lot more harm than a quick zap.

IRTA 'quick zip' and thought - Ouch!

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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:01:03 GMT, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote:

The message
from Jason Pope contains these words:

Well what was the twit doing climbing into someone's garden and touching
the electric fence? If he dies, how can he sue?

He can't,..........his family can,.....as in that case wheret he farmer
shot the burgler!!

No civil case has been brought against Tony Martin.

Wasn't it dropped?

I rest my case
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Martin

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:13:00 GMT, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote:

The message
from martin contains these words:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:21:16 -0000, "David Hill"
wrote:

The message is clear.....
If you live in an area where you are likely to have a visit from an
intruder
who has a heart condition and a pacemaker and who crawls around on his/her
hands and knees then forget the electric fence.
With a fence height of 9 to 12 inches you wont even feel a thing if you are
wearing trousers, jeans etc.

unless one urinates on it, whilst trying to get the compost going.

Ah, but since the possible amperage is so slight you'd only feel a
little prick.

Speak for yourself :-)
--
Martin

"Druss" wrote in message
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"Jason Pope" wrote in message
...

I never said pacemaker! Some people are arrythmic and a shock could stop
the heart.

snip

A surprisingly large number of people die from licking the electrodes of
batteries every year, basically a shock of the order of milli amps and/or
milli volts is actually enough to kill, the timing just needs to be
precise,
and the person somewhat unlucky.

And, more importantly, the current path has to pass through the heart if it
is to affect the beating of the heart muscle.

Franz

The message
from martin contains these words:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:01:03 GMT, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote:
The message
from Jason Pope contains these words:

Well what was the twit doing climbing into someone's garden and
touching
the electric fence? If he dies, how can he sue?

He can't,..........his family can,.....as in that case wheret he farmer
shot the burgler!!

No civil case has been brought against Tony Martin.

Wasn't it dropped?

I rest my case

It was never brought. And in any case, it was Fearon who was
contemplating it, not the family of either of the burglars. Indeed,
Fearon's family gave him no support in that matter.

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The message
from martin contains these words:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:13:00 GMT, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote:
The message
from martin contains these words:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:21:16 -0000, "David Hill"
wrote:

The message is clear.....
If you live in an area where you are likely to have a visit from an
intruder
who has a heart condition and a pacemaker and who crawls around on
his/her
hands and knees then forget the electric fence.
With a fence height of 9 to 12 inches you wont even feel a thing
if you are
wearing trousers, jeans etc.

unless one urinates on it, whilst trying to get the compost going.

Ah, but since the possible amperage is so slight you'd only feel a
little prick.

Speak for yourself :-)

I wouldn't be so incautious....

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:12:08 GMT, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote:

The message
from martin contains these words:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:01:03 GMT, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote:
The message
from Jason Pope contains these words:

Well what was the twit doing climbing into someone's garden and
touching
the electric fence? If he dies, how can he sue?

He can't,..........his family can,.....as in that case wheret he farmer
shot the burgler!!

No civil case has been brought against Tony Martin.

Wasn't it dropped?

I rest my case

It was never brought.

It was brought, but dropped

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...801434,00.html

And in any case, it was Fearon who was
contemplating it, not the family of either of the burglars. Indeed,
Fearon's family gave him no support in that matter.

Despite the poor sod being crippled, until the miraculous recovery
after the Sun filmed him riding a mountain bike.

He resembles Nick Cotton
--
Martin

Anne Jackson wrote:
The message
from Jason Pope contains these words:


Oh c'mon. The English countryside is littered with electric fences. My
sister has one to keep her horses from eating a whole field at a time,
and I see them keeping cows in order quite often. It's a widely used
form of stock control.


The countryside yes, but you try putting it in your back garden/front
garden and see how quick the police get on your case!


Please try not to be any more stupid than absolutely necessary! A friend
of mine has her garden ringed with an electric fence to stop her young dog
from dashing out onto the main road. She hasn't had a visit from the police
yet....still it has only been there for eight months, I suppose there's
time yet for the police to respond?


........where is it she lives?


Jason