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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:36:20 -0400, "StanB"
wrote: "Cereus-validus." wrote in message .. . Anyway you look at it, Kerry's war record is far superior to nonexistent one of that awol inept dopehead Dubya. Hanoi John is a fraud and a pothead. Stanley you ignorant fuk, that booze is addling what little brain mass you seem to have left..... This is America, we can and DO speak out against poor government policies like the war in Viet Nam, Have you served? (besides in a boy scout troop) |
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:35:05 -0700, "Anonny Moose"
wrote: "IntarsiaCo" wrote in message ... Kerry as a leading antiwar activist at the time attended a peace conference attended also by Nguyen Thi Binh from Vietnam. There were no meetings with Nguyen Thi Binh let alone negotiations, Kerry's campaign said earlier this year that he met on the trip with Nguyen Thi Binh, then foreign minister of the PRG and a top negotiator at the talks. Kerry acknowledged in that testimony that even going to the peace talks as a private citizen was at the "borderline" of what was permissible under U.S. law, which forbids citizens from negotiating treaties with foreign governments. If Kerry's actions were criminal and apparently known at the time, why then did the govt not prosecute? Perhaps there was no crime? Not only was there no crime the VVAW heroes played a major part in the ending of the atrocities! (still can't help but wonder how it is that the most outspoken critics ditched military service) |
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Cheryl Isaak wrote:
-- SNIP -- I think you are forgetting that we got into Vietnam when our good friends the French asked for help defending their former colony and interests. And like good little allies we went. Cheryl Well . . . you're sort of correct. It is true that our INITIAL move into Vietnam was to aid the French. HOWEVER, after the French were defeated at Dienbienphu, our decision to "soldier on" and do a little nation-building, in our own (Western) image, in Asia made that little war our very own. http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/causes.htm "The United States entered that war incrementally, in a series of steps between 1950 and 1965. In May 1950, President Harry S. Truman authorized a modest program of economic and military aid to the French, who were fighting to retain control of their Indochina colony, including Laos and Cambodia as well as Vietnam. When the Vietnamese Nationalist (and Communist-led) Vietminh army defeated French forces at Dienbienphu in 1954, the French were compelled to accede to the creation of a Communist Vietnam north of the 17th parallel while leaving a non-Communist entity south of that line. The United States refused to accept the arrangement. The administration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower undertook instead to build a nation from the spurious political entity that was South Vietnam by fabricating a government there, taking over control from the French, dispatching military advisers to train a South Vietnamese army, and unleashing the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to conduct psychological warfare against the North." Sound familiar? |
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"Anonny Moose" wrote in message ... "IntarsiaCo" wrote in message ... Kerry as a leading antiwar activist at the time attended a peace conference attended also by Nguyen Thi Binh from Vietnam. There were no meetings with Nguyen Thi Binh let alone negotiations, Kerry's campaign said earlier this year that he met on the trip with Nguyen Thi Binh, then foreign minister of the PRG and a top negotiator at the talks. Kerry acknowledged in that testimony that even going to the peace talks as a private citizen was at the "borderline" of what was permissible under U.S. law, which forbids citizens from negotiating treaties with foreign governments. If Kerry's actions were criminal and apparently known at the time, why then did the govt not prosecute? Perhaps there was no crime? Of course there wasn't. This entire discussion revolves around the beliefs of a deluded individual who gets his "facts" from the Borg mother ship, also known as Rush. |
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It is a sad fact that no person running for president solely on intelligence and
logic has a chance in hell of winning. I am surprised he hasnt taken to mangling english and tossing a little stupidity into his speeches so he can pick up a few of those who would never think of voting for anybody smarter than they think they are. If throwing large chunks of bloody raw meat is what it takes, he should do it. Ingrid "Doug Kanter" wrote: He had to make it an issue because there are quite a few dummies who think it's relevant. Unfortunately, Kerry needs to stoop low in his attempt to steal some of Bush's supporters, and perhaps some of the knuckleheads who are still undecided. If throwing large chunks of raw meat is what it takes, he'll do it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Probably because of the way that news is transmitted in this country, the
vast majority of people don't realize that Kerry's emphasis on his Vietnam experience in the Democratic convention was not the event that triggered the reaction of the Swift Boat Liars in the ads that followed it in early August.. That group actually began meeting and planning the moment Kerry won the primary season, way back in March and April, and the book that John O'Neill wrote was already being printed. In fact, Kerry probably felt that he needed to set up a Vietnam background as a strength to contradict the bullcrap that was already being staged to hit the fan in the late summer. I get angry when I see major pundits proclaiming that Kerry set himself up to be attacked by making his Vietnam experiences a part of the Convention - when the attacks were already being made prior to the convention. wrote in message ... It is a sad fact that no person running for president solely on intelligence and logic has a chance in hell of winning. I am surprised he hasnt taken to mangling english and tossing a little stupidity into his speeches so he can pick up a few of those who would never think of voting for anybody smarter than they think they are. If throwing large chunks of bloody raw meat is what it takes, he should do it. Ingrid "Doug Kanter" wrote: He had to make it an issue because there are quite a few dummies who think it's relevant. Unfortunately, Kerry needs to stoop low in his attempt to steal some of Bush's supporters, and perhaps some of the knuckleheads who are still undecided. If throwing large chunks of raw meat is what it takes, he'll do it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Reuters reports "Bush voted Movie Villain of the Year" by a Total Film
poll. Bush won out over evil atomic scientist Doctor Octopus from Spider-Man 2, fellow Texan Leatherface from the remake of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Golem in Lord of the Rings III, & Elle Driver (Daryl Hannah's the eyepatch assassin in Kill Bill II). "The overwhelming response of our readers voting Bush top villain just goes to show how frightening people found him in Fahrenheit 9/11," Total Film's editor Matt Mueller told Reuters. "He was absolutely terrifying in that film. The infamous scene where he's informed about the Twin Towers attack while visiting a school, & sits there absolutely paralysed, is enough to strike fear into anyone's heart." About 10,000 people voted in the poll. All winners will be seen in the upcomping issue of Total Film magazine on the stands November 4. Original story: http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=entertainmentNews&st oryID=610550§ion=news This could well turn out to be Bush's only big win for 2004. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:10:32 -0400, paghat wrote
Does half of America REALLY care absolutely nothing for truth, fact, or reality, but will embrace any lie fabricated by Bush campaigners & Swiftnuts, if that's all there is to justify an unjustifiable decision to keep Bush? paghat, You might be interested in this column by David Brooks in the NY times a few days ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/23/op...Top%2fOpinion% 2fEditorials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fOp%2dEd%2fColumnist s%2fDavid%20Brooks It should be free for a couple more days. I often find Brooks grasping at straws, but I think this one is pretty good. It does provide a possible explanation for the divide which doesn't depend on the traditional factors (which as you point out don't seem to explain much): "Republicans ... admire leaders who are straight-talking men of faith. ... doesn't have to be book-smart, and probably shouldn't be ... introspective. ... Democrats ... emphasize such skills as being knowledgeable and thoughtful. The value leaders who can see complexities, who possess the virtues of the well-educated". I thought it was good. Now, my neighborhood has, I'd guess, about 350 houses. I've walked or biked most of the streets lately, and I've found five (5) with Bush signs. Probably half the rest have Kerry signs. It's a neighborhood that was mostly built up in the 1950s and 1960s, with most houses on half-acre lots yet close to the center of town. Great place for gardeners, except for the high incidence of highly invasive exotics. Perhaps there's a correlation. Edward |
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:40:38 -0400, paghat wrote
puts out Flags at the drop of a pin Interesting observations. Now that you mention it, I noticed that a few houses which have had flag signs out since 9/11, don't have any political signs now. Coincidence? You Decide. ;-) Edward |
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"Lee" wrote in message om... (paghat) wrote in message ... snip... . The Bush campaign clearly sees itself as having no positive truth upon which to base its election campaign, & so requires its Vice president to lie outright, the President to commit lies of ommission by failing to tell the truth himself & refusing to distance himself from the Swiftnut campaign of outright fabrications which have been assisted by Bush's official campaign orchestrators. When Kerry states that failure to keep terrorists from grabbing tons & tons of explosives was a major mistake of the administration, he merely speaks the truth, harsh & awful & damning though that truth may be. But when Bush says Kerry advocates permitting foreign powers to veto American wartime decisions, he lies from his own mouth, even apart from his lies of ommission in permitting the Swiftnut whoppers to stand. Bush requires lies; Kerry has a damning truth on his side. But I fear those who have without bigotry or malignancy somehow managed to support Bush actually think it is Political Attack vs Political Attack, & they select the liar because they are blind to the lies, or because what is important to them is some single-issue (the false promise of lower taxes which has already translated into taxpayer indebtedness) or to stop abortion rights or because they think a fundamentalist is inherently a "good" christian but a Catholic is inherently a "bad" christian -- whatever one-issue thing they have which supercedes even integrity. I don't think these sorts of blind-spot-creating priorities require hatred of faggots & dykes or an ignorant inability to see that Bush policies has made the world a more dangerous place. Good people can mistakenly support Bush. They don't have to be as crazy as Usenet Bushites or as dishonest as the Swiftnuts. But they do have to fool themselves a lot. assertion of faith in humanity. -paghat the ratgirl this is so sad.. i know a number of folks of high integrity who are totally taken in by this spoiled, opinionated little boy who decided to have a quick and glorious war of his own, to finish what his dady started and be in the history books as the saviour of mankind. Leo/lee Here's what's really sad: The village idiot may be elected again. Because he listens to voices in his head (and calls them "God's voice"), my 15 year old son may be among those chosen to be a very poorly paid mercenary for the oil business. Fortunately, my son figured out this scam about a year ago. Otherwise, I'd have to put a bullet through the eye of the phoney patriot who came to get him when he refused to be drafted three or four years from now. |
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OK.. maybe reverse discrimination but I think we already have a couple gay couples on
the block and I am hoping fervently maybe the house 2 doors down will also be sold to gays cause the two already here are really doing great things with their house, planting gardens on front lawns and generally wonderful neighbors. sigh. my luck the house 2 doors down will be sold to gay slobs... and Loghouse Republicans. Ingrid "Doug Kanter" wrote: So...when I'd mention some of these upstanding citizens to the bus stop hens, they'd remark that all neighborhoods have quirky people, and that I should get used to it. In other words, they were OK living with the assholes described above. But, heaven forbid the children should stop at the gay guy's house on Halloween. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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according to quite a few sources the swift boat liars started after Kerry back when
he testified during Nixons adm. they been dogging him ever since. Ingrid "gregpresley" wrote: Probably because of the way that news is transmitted in this country, the vast majority of people don't realize that Kerry's emphasis on his Vietnam experience in the Democratic convention was not the event that triggered the reaction of the Swift Boat Liars in the ads that followed it in early August.. That group actually began meeting and planning the moment Kerry won the primary season, way back in March and April, and the book that John O'Neill wrote was already being printed. In fact, Kerry probably felt that he needed to set up a Vietnam background as a strength to contradict the bullcrap that was already being staged to hit the fan in the late summer. I get angry when I see major pundits proclaiming that Kerry set himself up to be attacked by making his Vietnam experiences a part of the Convention - when the attacks were already being made prior to the convention. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Gay redneck Republicans in Arizona?
Do they carry guns too? wrote in message ... OK.. maybe reverse discrimination but I think we already have a couple gay couples on the block and I am hoping fervently maybe the house 2 doors down will also be sold to gays cause the two already here are really doing great things with their house, planting gardens on front lawns and generally wonderful neighbors. sigh. my luck the house 2 doors down will be sold to gay slobs... and Loghouse Republicans. Ingrid "Doug Kanter" wrote: So...when I'd mention some of these upstanding citizens to the bus stop hens, they'd remark that all neighborhoods have quirky people, and that I should get used to it. In other words, they were OK living with the assholes described above. But, heaven forbid the children should stop at the gay guy's house on Halloween. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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