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In article , Harold Walker
writes "Mike" wrote in message ... It's never been a real newspaper. You lose 200 credibility points. -- Martin What would you call 'a real newspaper'? How about the Telegraph and the Guardian? How many Telegraph readers consider the Guardian to be a 'real newspaper'? -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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martin wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:05:30 +0100, "Mike Lyle" wrote: Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: The message from "Mike Lyle" contains these words: But surely that only means you can't sell it as an insecticide. You can put anything you like on your own private non-commercial plants, if you can get it; but I don't want some snake-oil salesman selling Not if it has been banned by international treaty like DDT, or even if it hasn't you are committing a technical offence by unlicenced use of a toxic chemical (and make no mistake the oxalic acid from rhubarb leaves is nasty stuff and can be absorbed through the skin). Obviously it is much more serious where food crops are involved. untested stuff to the public. Hell, it's bad enough that they sell people shredders, tasteless tomatoes, and sweet peas that don't smell. I think you'll find that you are not permitted to use it in your garden for that purpose. Blimey! I'd love to read the relevant regs (or maybe I wouldn't!): have you got a link handy? It falls under the unlicenced use of chemicals. The problem is not EU reg.s in UK. It's often the UK legislation & the pedants, who enforce the regs. In this instance it isn't such a bad idea. Rhubarb leaf extract sounds harmless enough and is only moderately bad for you. Though probably a better poison for mammals than for insects. But do the same to extract nicotine from cigarettes and you could be seriously injured. There are plenty of kitchen sink chemistry pesticide recipes on the web that can get you into serious trouble. Plants make these toxins to kill things that eat them or suck sap. Nature red in tooth and claw. Regards, Martin Brown |
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What would you call 'a real newspaper'? "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" what are the requirements for a newspaper to be called 'a real newspaper'? |
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Harold Walker wrote: What would you call 'a real newspaper'? "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" what are the requirements for a newspaper to be called 'a real newspaper'? That it contains at least some real news? The Telegraph is the only newspaper I have ever seen that included a claim (e.g. some propaganda against foreigners) and an editorial, and included IN THOSE ARTICLES proof that the claims were malicious. My mind boggled, but apparently Telegraph readers are more adept at doublethink. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Harold Walker" wrote in message ... What would you call 'a real newspaper'? "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" what are the requirements for a newspaper to be called 'a real newspaper'? That it gets the fire going even when damp :~) and I suppose it ought to have a good crossword -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) |
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The message
from "Mike Lyle" contains these words: /homebrewed garden sprays/ I think you'll find that you are not permitted to use it in your garden for that purpose. Blimey! I'd love to read the relevant regs (or maybe I wouldn't!): have you got a link handy? No - it was widely aired on GQT three or four years ago, and AFAIK hasn't either been dumped or used. -- Rusty Emus to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from martin contains these words: On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:37:05 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: The message from martin contains these words: Oh ah? My great Grandfather was founder of the PA and editor of the Daily Express - when it was a real newspaper. It's never been a real newspaper. You lose 200 credibility points. Oh yes it has. It's only since the war that it's joined the Dandy and the Sun. Did you read it before the war? I have read pre-war papers. -- Rusty Emus to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from "Harold Walker" contains these words: What would you call 'a real newspaper'? "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" what are the requirements for a newspaper to be called 'a real newspaper'? They must print (some) news. The Sport and Sunday Sport had to start using genuine stories as well as their usual amazing revelations - "London Transport Bus Found on the Moon", "Lancaster Bomber Found on the Moon", Adolf Hitler Living in..." etc. -- Rusty Emus to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:20:48 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: The message from "Mike Lyle" contains these words: /homebrewed garden sprays/ I think you'll find that you are not permitted to use it in your garden for that purpose. Blimey! I'd love to read the relevant regs (or maybe I wouldn't!): have you got a link handy? No - it was widely aired on GQT three or four years ago, and AFAIK hasn't either been dumped or used. I think what they said was that they could not recommend it for use but what you did in your own garden was entirely up to you! (and that applies to a lot of things!) Pam in Bristol |
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.. Did you read it before the war? I have read pre-war papers. -- Rusty Emus to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co full-stop uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ Curiosity.....did you read the pre-war papers after the war or before the war when they were just printed and what war? |
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I think what they said was that they could not recommend it for use but what you did in your own garden was entirely up to you! (and that applies to a lot of things!) Pam in Bristol Such as..H |
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:58:47 GMT, Pam Moore
wrote: On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:20:48 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: The message from "Mike Lyle" contains these words: /homebrewed garden sprays/ I think you'll find that you are not permitted to use it in your garden for that purpose. Blimey! I'd love to read the relevant regs (or maybe I wouldn't!): have you got a link handy? No - it was widely aired on GQT three or four years ago, and AFAIK hasn't either been dumped or used. I think what they said was that they could not recommend it for use but what you did in your own garden was entirely up to you! (and that applies to a lot of things!) Pam in Bristol No Harry, I am not that old, but I am older than GQT which someone mentioned in connection with rhubarb brew! I made rhubarb wine once, but never used a brew on plants, and certainly never thought of distilling it. Must try it! Pam in Bristol |
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Pam Moore wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:20:48 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: The message from "Mike Lyle" contains these words: /homebrewed garden sprays/ I think you'll find that you are not permitted to use it in your garden for that purpose. Blimey! I'd love to read the relevant regs (or maybe I wouldn't!): have you got a link handy? No - it was widely aired on GQT three or four years ago, and AFAIK hasn't either been dumped or used. I think what they said was that they could not recommend it for use but what you did in your own garden was entirely up to you! (and that applies to a lot of things!) I went to DEFRA, but annoyingly the Ggl text version wasn't working at all, and the pdf got stuck (how do people get away with using only pdf for these things anyway?). I really find it hard to believe they'd actually forbid the home use of a decoction of rhubarb leaves. Yes, of course oxalic acid is a thug in all sorts of ways; but an American site told me you'd need to extract 10-12 lb of leaves to get the lethal dose for a human -- the same as for spinach, and nobody's banned that yet. ("I say it's spinach, and I say the hell with it!") "Doris Edith Vowles, I have reason to believe that on the twelfth inst you did knowingly pour a hazardous substance, namely the water in the bottom of your spinach pan, out your kitchen window. You do not have to say anything, but..." Another thing I found was that, as I think Rusty hinted, the rhubarb-leaf stuff breaks down in the environment in twenty-four hours. (I once tried boiling up some tobacco for garden purposes, but the smell was so unbearable that I chucked it out.) -- Mike. |
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On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:04:45 -0400, "Harold Walker"
wrote: I think what they said was that they could not recommend it for use but what you did in your own garden was entirely up to you! (and that applies to a lot of things!) Pam in Bristol Such as..H I can grow what I like, eat what I like, etc. What did you think I meant? Not many people grow marigolds as a crop! Pam in Bristol |
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martin wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:21:05 +0100, "Mike Lyle" [...] hours. (I once tried boiling up some tobacco for garden purposes, but the smell was so unbearable that I chucked it out.) Worse than when people smoke it? A tough call, but in a way it was: I think because it was being carried in steam. -- Mike. |
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