michael adams wrote:
"George.com" wrote in message
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Like I said however, where facilities exist, what excuse is there.

Nowadays, some people have enough on their plate earning enough to
pay off their mortgage so they don't end up on the street, and feeding
their kids so they don't getting taken off them by social services,
often by having to work 60 hours a week. Never mind worrying about
recycling.


The problem is universal; I work in a university where the majority of
the students and staff are middle class and "educated"; the latter,
more or less by definition.
IN our canteen there is a recycling bin for plastic drinks bottles.
Just 3 minutes ago I found a newspaper and plastic bag in it. It could
be worse; I guess, the people who put those there kind of assumed that
it gets magically sorted somewhere else; it possibly does and the bag
and newspaper are also recyclable but it still kills me that people are
so slow to think through recycling and what goes where and why.

Des


Not everyone has as much time on their hands as you clearly do,
to engage in exercises self-righteousness and posting about
same on newsgroups.

Like all born-agains and converts you're rapidly becoming a bore.

I humbly suggest you grow up.

Goodbye.


michael adams

...

I'm all for recycling household rubbish but when people see all this
going on it's not much of an incentive to do their bit with the sorting
bins at home, let alone take the time to drag loads of other stuff off
to special centres etc.

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Sue


What a pity you are another one who has killfiled me and can only read the
bad reports on recycling, and not the ones such as I did on what is
happening on the Isle of Wight.

Oh well. Bad news makes the news and gullible people 'assume' that is the
norm :-((

Mike

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wrote in message
ups.com...

michael adams wrote:
"George.com" wrote in message
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Like I said however, where facilities exist, what excuse is there.

Nowadays, some people have enough on their plate earning enough to
pay off their mortgage so they don't end up on the street, and feeding
their kids so they don't getting taken off them by social services,
often by having to work 60 hours a week. Never mind worrying about
recycling.


The problem is universal; I work in a university where the majority of
the students and staff are middle class and "educated"; the latter,
more or less by definition.
IN our canteen there is a recycling bin for plastic drinks bottles.
Just 3 minutes ago I found a newspaper and plastic bag in it. It could
be worse; I guess, the people who put those there kind of assumed that
it gets magically sorted somewhere else;

It would need to be. Mineral water bottles are often made from PVC
polyvinyl chloride, while fizzy drink bottles are often made with
PET polyethylene terephthalate which is a good CO2 barrier. Totally
different.

Instead of recycling they should deliver the pop in tankers -
or concentrated syrup as they used to do with coca cola and dispense
the stuff out of a tap, into glasses at the counter.

....

it possibly does and the bag
and newspaper are also recyclable but it still kills me that people are
so slow to think through recycling and what goes where and why.

Des

It's different in Germany I believe. As are a lot of things.


michael adams

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"The Invalid" wrote
What peeves me is the wrapping that's some companies put on their
products.If they cut that by hal or more recycling might be easier.
We recently bought a new vacuum cleaner and the wrapping that it and
the contents of the box had was alarming.

My current peeve is plastic packaging of groceries. There's just too
much and, locally at least, we have to put it all in ordinary waste. Our
council insists that ONLY plastic bottles can be put in the recycling
bin, but there are numerous grocery items on supermarker shelves that
have other plastic packaging e.g. yoghurt pots, butter and margarine
tubs, food trays etc - dozens of things - and I see that these almost
all carry the triangle recyclable logo.

I did email the relevant address on the council's site asking why I
couldn't put specific marked items in too because I want to recycle as
much as possible. But whether there was a good reason or not, they
didn't bother to reply. So black marks to them for lack of customer
service, but in any event I can't see why supermarkets and manufacturers
can't be required by law to package everything in materials that
householders, and thus councils, are *able* to recycle.

--
Sue

"Mike" wrote
[Sue]:
I'm all for recycling household rubbish but when people see all this
going on it's not much of an incentive to do their bit with the
sorting bins at home, let alone take the time to drag loads of other
stuff off to special centres etc.

What a pity you are another one who has killfiled me and can only read
the bad reports on recycling, and not the ones such as I did on what
is happening on the Isle of Wight.

Oh well. Bad news makes the news and gullible people 'assume' that is
the norm :-((

Whatever happens on the IoW is commendable if it all works as it ought,
but obviously not the norm as far as we can tell either.

And you seem to be making your own assumptions. I have so far killfiled
precisely no-one, although I have come pretty close a couple of times
lately. Your juvenile whinging and sniping at some of the regulars isn't
even worth the effort of finding the killfile among the menus however.
Sorry to disappoint you.

--
Sue

michael adams wrote:
SNIP
They're not thick.

They just happen to have different priorities in life.

Maybe they don't rate being smug and sanctimonious as highly
as some other people.


I live in the Stirling area and our council set up a composting unit and
provided us all with brown bins with very easy but precise instructions as
to what could be composted, this was two years ago. (In accordance with the
latest Euro regulations that we will all have to follow shortly)

Now thanks the prats who think like you we have had no compost produced by
this obviously very expensive unit because a small minority just dump
anything into the brown bins. And god knows how much potentially good
compost has had to be dumped in landfill.



Slatts

Whatever happens on the IoW is commendable if it all works as it ought,
but obviously not the norm as far as we can tell either.

Might it not be a good idea to use the Isle of Wight as an example to
promote such a system in your area instead of just shrugging your shoulders
and saying 'Not my problem, let someone else do it'?


And you seem to be making your own assumptions. I have so far killfiled
precisely no-one, although I have come pretty close a couple of times
lately.

To kill file someone shows a complete lack of Adult tollerence to other
people's views and understanding. It shows an 'I know I am right and will
not listen to your views' I commend you on your lack of kill file
activities. They equal mine.

Your juvenile whinging and sniping at some of the regulars isn't
even worth the effort of finding the killfile among the menus however.
Sorry to disappoint you.

Now you let yourself down :-((

Oh well. Gives me an opportunity to "advertise" my signature now I have it
up and running :-))))


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"Sla#s" wrote in message
...
michael adams wrote:
SNIP
They're not thick.

They just happen to have different priorities in life.

Maybe they don't rate being smug and sanctimonious as highly
as some other people.


I live in the Stirling area and our council set up a composting unit

....

What compsoting unit?

Nobody needs a "unit" to make compost. It's just put in a big
pile and it breaks down by itself by microbial action.

Didn't you know that er, Slatts?

It looks like somebody wasted all your Ratepayers money up there
Making jobs for themselves no doubt, and printing out plenty of
nice leaflets into the bargain. Glossy 4 colour leaflets on nice
thick paper I wouldn't mind betting. Thousands of them.

....

and
provided us all with brown bins with very easy but precise instructions as
to what could be composted, this was two years ago. (In accordance with
the
latest Euro regulations that we will all have to follow shortly)

....

Why did you all need instructions then ? Are you all incapable of
reading books or something? Composting is hardly rocket science
or leading edge technology. Its been around for thiosands of
years.

Oh sorry, the Council had to set up a new department, just so as
to tell you all what you could and couldn't compost. With all
these leaflets. I see.

....


Now thanks the prats who think like you

....

You haven't got the faintest idea how I think. You're
incapable of it.

BTW it's not nice to call people names, when you quite clearly
haven't got a clue about what you're actually on about.

....

we have had no compost produced by
this obviously very expensive unit

....

Why is is it so expensive ?

To make compost you just put it all in a big pile.

And let "Mother Nature" do the rest. Didn't you know that?

....

because a small minority just dump
anything into the brown bins.

....

That's hardly my fault, er Slatts.

Maybe they can't read ? Maybe your Council should start an
Adult Literacy Initiative as well while they're at it.

When will it ever end, that's what I ask myself.


....

And god knows how much potentially good
compost has had to be dumped in landfill.

....

Thus improving the soil there instead. Thus making subsequent
landscaping all that much easier. To actually break the cycle,
it would be necessary too fire the stuff into space in
a rocket.

hth



michael adams

....




Slatts

michael adams wrote:
"Sla#s" wrote in message
...
michael adams wrote:
SNIP
What compsoting unit?

I most humbly beg your forgiveness for such a stupid mistake.
See below.

Nobody needs a "unit" to make compost. It's just put in a big
pile and it breaks down by itself by microbial action.

See link below.

Didn't you know that er, Slatts?

Perhaps they had to build a shed to put the macerator in, then lay down
large flat concrete base, for a possessing area, to prevent runoff into the
local water table. (Where it can be turned mechanically over every couple of
days). But what would I know?
See: http://tinyurl.com/gsppk
I put a further link below for an "In-vessel unit"
...
SNIP

Why did you all need instructions then ? Are you all incapable of
reading books or something? Composting is hardly rocket science
or leading edge technology.

True but is it not the case that the vast majority of UK residents do not
compost and wouldn't know what to put in a compost bin?

... Its been around for thiosands of
years.

"thiosands" ? Pot, Kettle, Black.

Oh sorry, the Council had to set up a new department, just so as
to tell you all what you could and couldn't compost. With all
these leaflets. I see.

They have to in accordance with the latest regulations.

Now thanks the prats who think like you

You haven't got the faintest idea how I think. You're
incapable of it.


Note: I didn't call you a Prat just people who think like you.

BTW it's not nice to call people names, when you quite clearly
haven't got a clue about what you're actually on about.

See link below.

we have had no compost produced by
this obviously very expensive unit


Why is is it so expensive ?

To make compost you just put it all in a big pile.


Obviously you have never seen in an industrial compost unit.
Suggest you do a bit of research before you reply the next time.
I can't find a picture of the Stirling unit but here is another.
http://www.magherafelt.gov.uk/recycl...ting/index.php

And let "Mother Nature" do the rest. Didn't you know that?

But to do it on an industrial scale she needs a little help.

because a small minority just dump
anything into the brown bins.

That's hardly my fault, er Slatts.

Perhaps but as you said:

"They just happen to have different priorities in life.
Maybe they don't rate being smug and sanctimonious as highly
as some other people."

So they just dump any old waste in the brown bins and wreck things for those
who do care.

If that's not being a Prat, what is?

Slatts

michael adams wrote:
"Sla#s" wrote in message
...
michael adams wrote:
SNIP
What compsoting unit?

I most humbly beg your forgiveness for such a stupid mistake.
See below.

Nobody needs a "unit" to make compost. It's just put in a big
pile and it breaks down by itself by microbial action.

See link below.

Didn't you know that er, Slatts?

Perhaps they had to build a shed to put the macerator in, then lay down
large flat concrete base, for a possessing area, to prevent runoff into the
local water table. (Where it can be turned mechanically over every couple of
days). But what would I know?
See: http://tinyurl.com/gsppk
I put a further link below for an "In-vessel unit"
...
SNIP

Why did you all need instructions then ? Are you all incapable of
reading books or something? Composting is hardly rocket science
or leading edge technology.

True but is it not the case that the vast majority of UK residents do not
compost and wouldn't know what to put in a compost bin?

... Its been around for thiosands of
years.

"thiosands" ? Pot, Kettle, Black.

Oh sorry, the Council had to set up a new department, just so as
to tell you all what you could and couldn't compost. With all
these leaflets. I see.

They have to in accordance with the latest regulations.

Now thanks the prats who think like you

You haven't got the faintest idea how I think. You're
incapable of it.


Note: I didn't call you a Prat just people who think like you.

BTW it's not nice to call people names, when you quite clearly
haven't got a clue about what you're actually on about.

See link below.

we have had no compost produced by
this obviously very expensive unit


Why is is it so expensive ?

To make compost you just put it all in a big pile.


Obviously you have never seen in an industrial compost unit.
Suggest you do a bit of research before you reply the next time.
I can't find a picture of the Stirling unit but here is another.
http://www.magherafelt.gov.uk/recycl...ting/index.php

And let "Mother Nature" do the rest. Didn't you know that?

But to do it on an industrial scale she needs a little help.

because a small minority just dump
anything into the brown bins.

That's hardly my fault, er Slatts.

Perhaps but as you said:

"They just happen to have different priorities in life.
Maybe they don't rate being smug and sanctimonious as highly
as some other people."

So they just dump any old waste in the brown bins and wreck things for those
who do care.

If that's not being a Prat, what is?

Slatts

michael adams wrote:
"Sla#s" wrote in message
...
michael adams wrote:
SNIP
What compsoting unit?

I most humbly beg your forgiveness for such a stupid mistake.
And see below.

Nobody needs a "unit" to make compost. It's just put in a big
pile and it breaks down by itself by microbial action.

See link below.

Didn't you know that er, Slatts?

Perhaps they had to build a shed to put the macerator in, then lay down
large flat concrete base to prevent runoff into the
local water table, for a possessing area. (Where it can be turned
mechanically over every couple of
days). See: http://tinyurl.com/gsppk
I put a further link below for an "In-vessel unit"
...
SNIP

Why did you all need instructions then ? Are you all incapable of
reading books or something? Composting is hardly rocket science
or leading edge technology.

True but is it not the case that the vast majority of UK residents do not
compost and wouldn't know what to put in a compost bin?

... Its been around for thiosands of
years.

"thiosands" ? Pot, Kettle, Black.

Oh sorry, the Council had to set up a new department, just so as
to tell you all what you could and couldn't compost. With all
these leaflets. I see.

They have to in accordance with the latest regulations.

Now thanks the prats who think like you.

You haven't got the faintest idea how I think. You're
incapable of it.

You told us how you think! See quote below.

BTW it's not nice to call people names, when you quite clearly
haven't got a clue about what you're actually on about.

See link below and final comment.

we have had no compost produced by
this obviously very expensive unit

Why is is it so expensive ?

To make compost you just put it all in a big pile.


Suggest you do a bit of research before you reply the next time.
I can't find a picture of the Stirling unit but here is another.
http://www.magherafelt.gov.uk/recycl...ting/index.php

And let "Mother Nature" do the rest. Didn't you know that?

See links above.

because a small minority just dump
anything into the brown bins.

That's hardly my fault, er Slatts.

Perhaps but as you said:

"They just happen to have different priorities in life.
Maybe they don't rate being smug and sanctimonious as highly
as some other people."

So they just dump any old waste in the brown bins and wreck things for those
who do care.

If that's not being a Prat, what is?

Slatts

"Sla#s" wrote in message
...

michael adams wrote:

"Sla#s" wrote in message


gross snippage throughout


... Its been around for thiosands of
years.

"thiosands" ? Pot, Kettle, Black.

....

Your very first spelling flame I take it?

Your parents must feel so very proud of you.

....


Suggest you do a bit of research before you reply the next time.

....

And I suggest you save your instructions for the trees in the park.

....

So they just dump any old waste in the brown bins and wreck things
for those who do care.

....

I know, I know. Drought and famine in Africa, global warming bringing
the World to the brink of catastrophe and now this. Fag packets and
beer bottles in the compost bins. How much more can a truly sensitive
person be expected to take ?


....

If that's not being a Prat, what is?

....

Indeed. But at least its nice to know that there are those like yourself
who've got their prorities right.

And thanks for those links to the pictures of the big piles of grass
clippings and wood chips. Very informative, I must say.

Byeeeee.



michael adams



Slatts

"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
...
The message
from "George.com" contains these words:
If
municipalities provide facilities they very often make them easy to use.
Plastic bins provided for glass, tin and plastics. Other forms for the
provision of garden wastes. It isn't difficult once a day to throw the
recyclables in the appropriate bin. If people don't want to recycle then
everything can simply go in the bin. Rupert described a system where
green
waste is recycled, most likely a seperate recepticle for green waste and
another for standard household waste. You may like to explain to me what
is
so difficult about throwing rubbish in the appropriate bin.

Nothing at all..if householders believe that their council really
intends to keep it separate *and can afford to do so*. Rupert mentioned
three sacks colected in a month from a dirt track. I'm sorry to say
that it's an economic quantity for separate collection. It's all too
common where quantities are quite small, for the council just to send
out the one standard collection truck and tip all that carefully sorted
domestic waste back together for landfill :-(.. They have been seen to
fulfill their legal obligation for a politically correct domestic-waste
separation service.

that is a plausible possibility. It is then contingent on the council to be
honest. If it doesn't get recycled, say so. Don't waste peoples time. If
small amounts will not be collected from country areas tell people, don't
waste their time. Whether people actually thought the council was not going
to seperate the waste and acted accordingly is a moot point in Ruperts
example as we will never know unless he interviews each one in turn and
reports back to us. I have a work mate who did not recycle as he believed it
all ended up in a landfill. When I showed him very strong proof that the
waste (glass, cans, plastics 1&2) did get appropriately recycled he did
change his habits.

He is not the usual 'I have no idea where my waste goes' urban consumer
however but made a counscious stand on a matter of thought through logic.
His logic MAY have been correct in years gone by but not according to
current operation. After reviewing his position he changed it. Maybe things
are different in the UK however I doubt peoples general attitudes to
recycling, rubbish and general waste disposal are much different than NZs.

rob

michael adams wrote:
"Sla#s" wrote in message

gross snippage throughout

... Its been around for thiosands of
years.

"thiosands" ? Pot, Kettle, Black.

Your very first spelling flame I take it?

And I take it you forgot that it was you who picked me up on spelling!

SNIP
I know, I know. Drought and famine in Africa, global warming bringing
the World to the brink of catastrophe and now this. Fag packets and
beer bottles in the compost bins. How much more can a truly sensitive
person be expected to take ?


I will have to assume you are deliberately missing the point.
Thousands of people make the effort to help prevent global warming etc by
recycling, a few prats muck it up for everyone and you complain that ...
global
warming is more important!

Slatts

In article , Mike
writes

To kill file someone shows a complete lack of Adult tollerence to other
people's views and understanding. It shows an 'I know I am right and will
not listen to your views' I commend you on your lack of kill file
activities. They equal mine.


Many people find that there comes a time when repetitive bile can not be
deemed to be "people's views". Ploughing through endless gibberish in
the vain hope of finding a gem becomes uneconomic in terms of the effort
and time involved - so a kill file is very useful. It also stops users
being tempted to respond to the trolls - such responses often being the
lifeblood for the troller.

As you can see, I (very) occasionally feed the trolls

Personally I don't killfile you because I'm a great believer in the
adage - "No-one is completely useless - they can always be a bad
example."

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regards andyw