"Don Staples" wrote in message
Your tree dictionary is a piece of crap, why do you insist on posting here
when real, trained biologist point you out as a fraud.

Beware a so called tree biologist who has never studied biology.

For those interested my dictionary is he
www.treedictionary.com

If anyone else has a dictionary online based on tree biology please post it
for review.

BTW, Don Staples, what are you?


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"symplastless" wrote in message
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"Don Staples" wrote in message
Your tree dictionary is a piece of crap, why do you insist on posting
here when real, trained biologist point you out as a fraud.

Beware a so called tree biologist who has never studied biology.

For those interested my dictionary is he
www.treedictionary.com

If anyone else has a dictionary online based on tree biology please post
it for review.

BTW, Don Staples, what are you?

Your worse nightmare, someone actually trained in biology.

Beware a so called tree biologist who has never studied biology.

"Treelady" wrote in message
oups.com...

I find Symplastless to have a good understanding of trees, theier
biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the
teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about
trees without due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a
pinch of salt.


The point you miss is it is Shigo's work, not Keslicks. A wannabe whose
education is a series of 2 and 3 day short courses. I wonder if he is even
a member of any national society of arborists.

On Aug 10, 5:01 am, "D. Staples" wrote:
"symplastless" wrote in message

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"Don Staples" wrote in message
Your tree dictionary is a piece of crap, why do you insist on posting
here when real, trained biologist point you out as a fraud.

Beware a so called tree biologist who has never studied biology.

For those interested my dictionary is he
www.treedictionary.com

If anyone else has a dictionary online based on tree biology please post
it for review.

BTW, Don Staples, what are you?

Your worse nightmare, someone actually trained in biology.

Beware a so called tree biologist who has never studied biology.

LOL, people are so fiesty on these groups!

On Aug 10, 5:10 am, "D. Staples" wrote:
"Treelady" wrote in message

oups.com...



I find Symplastless to have a good understanding oftrees, theier
biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the
teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about
treeswithout due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a
pinch of salt.

The point you miss is it is Shigo's work, not Keslicks. A wannabe whose
education is a series of 2 and 3 day short courses. I wonder if he is even
a member of any national society of arborists.

Not sure if I missed that point, thank you though. I have no idea of
Symplastless's route of education, nevertheless, if he is passing
along information tried and tested by Shigo and his cronies, well, no
point in dismissing it point in hand. People were not always receptive
to Shigo when he began spreading his findings, in fact, I recently
read an article where the writer claims that a man invited Shigo
outside to pyhsically settle the issue of flush cuts versus branch
(bark) collar cuts.
In the Uk to become a menber of of the Arboricultural Society is not a
matter of simply signing up. Belonging to a prestigious group can,
sometimes, mean little more than one is a member of a prestigious
group. Consulting a tree surgeon on a local council's recommendation
list does not guarantee quality, knowledge or good practice. I have
seen work carried out by such contractors, much of it is appalling.

The vicinity in which I live, and work, has many a treeman (mainly all
men, in fact I have never seen a woman working with trees around here)
who knows nothing about tree biology, little about the mechanics of
trees. I have seen all manner of short term thinking in terms of tree
care; Situations where a tree surgeon carries out pruning work that
lessens the lifespan of trees, unnecessary felling, ruthless pruning
etc. I receive phone calls from men looking for jobs who are barely
able to identify trees yet alone understand the nature of trees. That
Keslick makes an effort speaks well for him, in my book. Many of the
men with which I have worked study day release, or simply got their
tickets through two-three day courses. Self education has its place.
To gain a thorough education in tree work via studying at a national
institute is costly and time consuming- many a person, alas, has to
work in order to live, and their families cannot afford to support
them during three plus years of study. For people to spread the word
about good tree care is important for everyone in the industry, from
self learners to university educated people.
To me the difference between an arboriculturalist and a tree surgeon
is education. People have interfered with trees much longer than
people have officially, for want of a better word, studied trees.
I have seen tree work in the USA and the UK, and both countries have a
long way to go before finding a harmony between people and trees.
People have all manner of ideas about trees, and not all are
interested in trees beyond their intentions, which only feeds into
shoddy workmanship.

Don, how do you know that Keslick has such a meager education? Many
arborists in Mass. have a BS degree- or at the minimum a 2 year degree from
a reputable arborist school- such as one at U. Mass. Then, they have to get
a state license after taking a test.

I took the basic arborist course at U. Mass.- it was one of the best courses
I took there- we spent all our time walking the huge campus looking at sick
trees.

Joe


"D. Staples" wrote in message
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"Treelady" wrote in message
oups.com...

I find Symplastless to have a good understanding of trees, theier
biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the
teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about
trees without due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a
pinch of salt.


The point you miss is it is Shigo's work, not Keslicks. A wannabe whose
education is a series of 2 and 3 day short courses. I wonder if he is
even a member of any national society of arborists.

"Joe" wrote:

I took the basic arborist course at U. Mass.- it was one of the best courses
I took there- we spent all our time walking the huge campus looking at sick
trees.

If it is such a good school, why do they have so many sick trees?

Most people have some illnesses, right? Same with trees.



"M. Fricker" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote:

I took the basic arborist course at U. Mass.- it was one of the best
courses
I took there- we spent all our time walking the huge campus looking at
sick
trees.

If it is such a good school, why do they have so many sick trees?

"Joe" wrote in message news:1mXui.2515$mw4.566@trndny09...
Don, how do you know that Keslick has such a meager education? Many
arborists in Mass. have a BS degree- or at the minimum a 2 year degree
from a reputable arborist school- such as one at U. Mass. Then, they have
to get a state license after taking a test.

I took the basic arborist course at U. Mass.- it was one of the best
courses I took there- we spent all our time walking the huge campus
looking at sick trees.

Joe


"D. Staples" wrote in message
...

"Treelady" wrote in message
oups.com...

I find Symplastless to have a good understanding of trees, theier
biology and appropriate care. To ignore him is to dismiss the
teachings of Alex Shigo- anyone claiming to understand or know about
trees without due regard for Shigo's work is one to be taken with a
pinch of salt.


The point you miss is it is Shigo's work, not Keslicks. A wannabe whose
education is a series of 2 and 3 day short courses. I wonder if he is
even a member of any national society of arborists.



Read his résumé.

Don Staples

Again I ask the question. What are you?


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

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"symplastless" wrote:

Don Staples

Again I ask the question. What are you?

John, I think we all know what he is. Your a stand-up guy and this
lurker has already taken up more space than he deserves. Forget him, I'm
sure we all will, you must have something more important to do than let
this sponge waste your time.
--
FB - FFF

Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

A healthy tree can have a thousand infections. As long as they are properly
compartmentalized the tree will do well.
I school could be teaching the right way to prune a tree but their trees
could have been flush cut and painted years ago. Its going to take some
time to get out of the flush cut wound dressing era. Just as thought as to
why trees might not be doing well and the school is teaching correctly.
Also when we studied tree biology and ASU the people who cared for trees on
campus seldom attended the workshops.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.


"Joe" wrote in message news:Ji1vi.9$hK5.3@trndny02...
Most people have some illnesses, right? Same with trees.



"M. Fricker" wrote in message
...
"Joe" wrote:

I took the basic arborist course at U. Mass.- it was one of the best
courses
I took there- we spent all our time walking the huge campus looking at
sick
trees.

If it is such a good school, why do they have so many sick trees?

"Billy Rose" wrote in message
...
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"symplastless" wrote:

Don Staples

Again I ask the question. What are you?

John, I think we all know what he is. Your a stand-up guy and this
lurker has already taken up more space than he deserves. Forget him, I'm
sure we all will, you must have something more important to do than let
this sponge waste your time.
--
FB - FFF

Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/


Ah, another mouth breathing cross posting jerk. So glad you joined us.

"symplastless" wrote in message
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Don Staples

Again I ask the question. What are you?

I answer again, your worse enemy, a trained biologist. What memberships do
you hold, tree biologist?

Beware a tree biologist who never studied biology.

In article ,
"Don Staples" wrote:

"Billy Rose" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"symplastless" wrote:

Don Staples

Again I ask the question. What are you?

John, I think we all know what he is. Your a stand-up guy and this
lurker has already taken up more space than he deserves. Forget him, I'm
sure we all will, you must have something more important to do than let
this sponge waste your time.
--
FB - FFF

Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/


Ah, another mouth breathing cross posting jerk. So glad you joined us.

My degree is a BS in Chemistry, a credential in Physical Science, and a
black belt in Tae Kwon Do. I showed you mine. John showed you his.
Whachew got stubby? Just a big moronic mouth. No substantiated facts, no
logic to support your premise, just a boring noise. Go back to your
pre-cambrian friends.
--
FB - FFF

Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/