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Penelope Periwinkle wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:40:45 -0700, Billy wrote: Eco-nazi frothing? Speaking of... Penelope Ah, Penelope, the vituperous vixen: queen of the fractional entendre and vacuous thoughts. Heil. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html |
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, Billy wrote: In article , Penelope Periwinkle wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:40:45 -0700, Billy wrote: Eco-nazi frothing? Speaking of... How did you arrive at giving more credence to the commercial, ad selling, don't-want-to-offend-any-potential-advertisers DALLAS MORNING NEWS than say Rutgars University, the EPA, or the Garden Web? I can imagine your embarrassment, having your stupidity on display like that, but to go 'tudinal instead of owning up to your error is childish. And, we've probably had all the invectives that we may have needed for a gardening group. Put up, or shut up. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html |
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If iron is such a scarce mineral, chances are it is scarce for others as
well. You say I am incorrect. How do YOU know there is no market? the dealers and apparently the buyers too have been duped into thinking that the only market that exists is for quick fixes. a reputable garden center would educate it's consumers. "Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:20:18 -0400, "polecanoe" wrote: i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all the more reason to demand it. Actually, as my nephew is fond of saying, that's not correct. Garden centers generally have to order a set amount of a product, so they're not going to order a pallet of greensand if they don't feel like there's a market for it in their area. I've had a very, very difficult time getting organic products since my favorite nursery owners retired. I actually ordered 15 5 lb bags of my favorite organic tomato and pepper fertilizer last year because none of the local garden centers and nurseries would order it. I figure I got about a 4 or 5 year supply for my garden and my sister's. I had to call almost every garden center and nursery in the yellow pages before I found one that carried a good quality potting soil that has no fertilizer in it. I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering it on the web prohibitive. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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"Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:42:05 -0500, "Marie Dodge" wrote: You spray sticky diluted molasses on the plants in summer? How can you know how much iron the plants are getting and how often do you do it? Also, how to you keep from drawing insects with something like molasses? Here we'd have problems with things like raccoons and possums. One tablespoon to a gallon of water as a foliar spray along with liquid seaweed. I have opossums and raccoons in my yard and they don't have problems. Mine don't have problems either, I have a problem with them.... they eat my veggies! = O How often are you spraying your garden with the Molasses? They don't sell liquid seaweed where I live. I don't care to start ordering things online because the shipping is often as much as the items to be shipped. OK. I will Google them but just want you to know I've used it here for at least 15 years and have seen no problems. The gardens are still full of toads and box turtles. Moles are still a serious pest at times. Earthworms and grubs thrive..... Why did you ask a question if you already know the answer? I asked what the issues were, the problems with Ironite since I haven't had any problems using it. |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:32:34 -0500, Jangchub
wrote: Penelope Periwinkle wrote: Jangchub wrote: Penelope wrote: Jangchub wrote: Penelope Periwinkle wrote: You know, I did a quick google on Ironite this morning, and; after wading through a fair bit of eco-nazi frothing, found this article: Eco-nazi? That's insulting, dontca think? Hit a little too close to home, did I? No, not at all. It is a bit odd to compare someone who is an organic gardener who doesn't kill to Nazi's who spent day and night murdering, raping and torturing people. I think you are a bit off base. It takes more than that to ruffle my feathers, dear. I'm not some fancy housewife in Texas. I was raised in Brooklyn NY and don't get insulted too easily. Your comment said more about you that it will ever say about me. You insulted people who were murdered, not me. Heh, yeah, your words fair ooze unperturbedness and undefensiveness. I am, like, all chastised and stuff. No, really. Your words are far more telling about you than they are about me. I didn't chastise you. Exactly! Finally, we agree! You made a fool of yourself. Motley becomes me. Penelope -- You have proven yourself to be the most malicious, classless person that I've encountered in years. - "pointed" |
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"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:43:14 -0500, "Marie Dodge" wrote: "Penelope Periwinkle" wrote "Marie Dodge" wrote: Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite? What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical. You know, I did a quick google on Ironite this morning, and; after wading through a fair bit of eco-nazi frothing, found this article: http://www.dirtdoctor.com/view_question.php?id=120 It was more balanced than any of the others. It certainly was. Thanks. I use Hi-Yield Copperas, which is a powder derived from ferrous sulfate. It was recommended by more than one organic nursery, is relatively cheap, and effective. Where do you get it? I've not seen or heard about it here in central TN. Who carries it? I think you would have to go to a nursery, not a big box store to get it. I got it for years from a local organic nursery; but when they retired, I was still able to get it from a more traditional nursery. I would just call a few nurseries or plant stores near where you live and ask if they carry it. Will do but organic gardening isn't all that popular where I live. When I tried to get all organic fertilizers I went into sticker shock. The cost of blood meal and bone meal are astronomical! You'd think it was gold meal. People with small gardens can probably afford such prices, those of us with larger gardens would have to sell our firstborn sons. I really miss my organic nursery, they were always willing to try and get products that I'd read about on the web, or help me find a suitable alternative. The biggest problem is finding potting soil without any fertilizer in it, but that's a whine for another post. I've learned to make my own potting soil. It's much cheaper than buying it. Us retired people have to watch what we spend. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:32:20 -0400, "polecanoe"
wrote: egregious top posting corrected, as is only civilized "Penelope Periwinkle" wrote "polecanoe" wrote: i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all the more reason to demand it. Actually, as my nephew is fond of saying, that's not correct. Garden centers generally have to order a set amount of a product, so they're not going to order a pallet of greensand if they don't feel like there's a market for it in their area. If iron is such a scarce mineral, chances are it is scarce for others as well. You say I am incorrect. How do YOU know there is no market? My, but haven't the sensitive lettle fleurs sprouted in my absence. Whether you or I think there is a market is irrelevant. Whether nursery or garden center owners do or don't think there is, or choose an alternative to either greensand or Ironite is their prerogative. Those who know their market on both ends stay in business, those who misjudge it don't. Insisting that they'll indulge the whims of every single customer is just plain silly. the dealers and apparently the buyers too have been duped into thinking that the only market that exists is for quick fixes. a reputable garden center would educate it's consumers. Ah, I see the problem. You're defining "reputable garden center" as only those garden centers who adopt business practices approved by polecanoe. My definition is a bit broader. Penelope I've had a very, very difficult time getting organic products since my favorite nursery owners retired. I actually ordered 15 5 lb bags of my favorite organic tomato and pepper fertilizer last year because none of the local garden centers and nurseries would order it. I figure I got about a 4 or 5 year supply for my garden and my sister's. I had to call almost every garden center and nursery in the yellow pages before I found one that carried a good quality potting soil that has no fertilizer in it. I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering it on the web prohibitive. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" -- You have proven yourself to be the most malicious, classless person that I've encountered in years. - "pointed" |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:37:39 -0700, Billy
wrote: In article , Billy wrote: A twofer! pwned! hee hee! A bit of kind advice: read the actual words I posted, not the ones you've convinced yourself I posted so as to support your spittle-flecked rant. Penelope -- You have proven yourself to be the most malicious, classless person that I've encountered in years. - "pointed" |
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"polecanoe" wrote in message ... i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all the more reason to demand it. Demand it? I wish. They'll just tell me "Sorry, we don't carry it." you don't say where you are from, in my state CT the local NOFA has an annual sale you can also try peaceful valley if you are in CA www.groworganic.com or Fedco seeds in ME www.fedcoseeds.com should have it. I'm in Central TN, not far from Nashville. There's only one Nursery in our area and they more or less carry the same stuff the big chains carry plus bone and blood meal. We can't afford these organic meals anymore as they're $5 to $6 for small bags and we have several gardens. We are however, picking up loads of organic mulch from a nearby city's shredding lot to work into the soil this year. We can't generate enough of our own to compost on only an acre of land. "Marie Dodge" wrote in message ... "polecanoe" wrote in message ... i think it is illegal to sell this toxic waste in most states. get greensand. They don't sell greensand here that I know of, and I have 3 large veggie gardens. What well known stores carry it? "Marie Dodge" wrote in message ... Ironite v. a liquid. What problems have you people had with Ironite? What is the issue with this product? If it's dangerous, how is it legal to sell for use in gardens? Is there any other type of iron to add to the soil/compost besides liquids? With large gardens, sprinkling "iron" water over the plants several times during the season isn't practical. |
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"Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message ... I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering it on the web prohibitive. Exactly. I can't afford to have 10 or 25 lbs of greensand shipped.... on top of the high price they charge for it to start with. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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"polecanoe" wrote in message ... If iron is such a scarce mineral, chances are it is scarce for others as well. You say I am incorrect. How do YOU know there is no market? It's not that no one needs iron for their soil... they don't know what things like greensand are. the dealers and apparently the buyers too have been duped into thinking that the only market that exists is for quick fixes. a reputable garden center would educate it's consumers. They don't have the time. "Penelope Periwinkle" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:20:18 -0400, "polecanoe" wrote: i'm sure that any reputable garden center can and will get greensand for you. if you local home depot walmart and lowes don't have it, that is all the more reason to demand it. Actually, as my nephew is fond of saying, that's not correct. Garden centers generally have to order a set amount of a product, so they're not going to order a pallet of greensand if they don't feel like there's a market for it in their area. I've had a very, very difficult time getting organic products since my favorite nursery owners retired. I actually ordered 15 5 lb bags of my favorite organic tomato and pepper fertilizer last year because none of the local garden centers and nurseries would order it. I figure I got about a 4 or 5 year supply for my garden and my sister's. I had to call almost every garden center and nursery in the yellow pages before I found one that carried a good quality potting soil that has no fertilizer in it. I was very interested in trying some of the Pro-Mix products, and we even have a wholesale distributor locally; but I couldn't get any of the nurseries to get some for me. The cost of shipping makes ordering it on the web prohibitive. Penelope -- "Maybe you'd like to ask the Wizard for a heart." "ElissaAnn" |
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"Jangchub" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:44:47 -0500, "Marie Dodge" wrote: They don't sell greensand here that I know of, and I have 3 large veggie gardens. What well known stores carry it? I saw Home Depot selling it, and I know for sure The Natural Gardener in Oak Hill sells it. The Great Outdoors on Congress, It's About Thyme in Taylor, Barton Springs Nursery and Garden Center on Bee Caves Road. Where are you talking about? What city in which state? Oak Hill? Great Outdoors? I can check with our local Home Depot but I have never seen it there. |
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Penelope Periwinkle wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:37:39 -0700, Billy wrote: In article , Billy wrote: A twofer! pwned! hee hee! A bit of kind advice: read the actual words I posted, not the ones you've convinced yourself I posted so as to support your spittle-flecked rant. Penelope And I, dumb bunny, only used yours ;O) hee, hee, hee, hee When you used the Dallas Daily or what ever, you just said that you thought, it was the most balanced assesment that you had read. You must have picked some real crap. Bio-nazi wasn't mine. Bio-nazi is what is known as as an invective in literate circles. You brought this to the party and you didn't care who you smeared. You could have said, as Mr. Mr. Shields said. "But lead is lead is lead." Why are you here? You can find some other place to jerk-off. Gardening connects to a lot of areas in our lives but calling people Bio-nazis is so . . . "Limbaugh", and invectives have no place in this discussion, unless you have already been smeared with one, as you did to Jangchub. Apparently, others here knew you when you were sane, I don't have that advantage. We have enough potty mouths already, thank you. If you can't express yourself, don't try. Grow-up and contribute or go jerk-off somewhere else. Ironite is poison and you can't even say it. You're freakin' hopeless. You can argue that it is dilute poison but that is . . . You said Bio-nazis, and in doing so, and by implication, you supported a toxic product. Happy now? To me you are just a dumb, trying-to-look-clever bitch. Get real or get lost. -- Billy Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1009916.html |
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Marie Dodge said:
They don't sell liquid seaweed where I live. I don't care to start ordering things online because the shipping is often as much as the items to be shipped. Yes, but some things are cheap at twice the price, and sometimes shipping is nowhere near equal to the cost of the item shipped (even these days). Consider Maxicrop seaweed *powder* where you avoid paying to ship water: http://www.arbico-organics.com/1313001.html Get it shipped by priority mail. It's cheaper. (I would have recommended The Eclectic Gardener, as a satisfied customer, but they are sold out of Maxicrop powder. ) http://www.eclectic-gardener.com/maxicroppowder.html I buy this mail order *even though* I have seen liquid kelp on sale locally, because it is so much less expensive (in the long run) to buy the dry powder even considering shipping, and because the dry powder is so much more convenient to store. -- Pat in Plymouth MI ('someplace.net' is comcast) After enlightenment, the laundry. |
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