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In message , Janet Baraclough
writes The message from "Harold Walker" contains these words: " I think you meant you saw more of England than most English see in a year (a somewhat strange claim; how in the space of two weeks do you know what "most" English do in 52? ). But your little trip round just *one* country doesn't really count as seeing "more of the UK". Janet. If you know anything at all about logistics you would readily see/know that the majority of the UK residents (English + permanent interlopers) see very little of the UK in a year...they just do not have the money....perhaps someone like you might have the 'lolly' to roam around but there are many that do not live in such luxury and scrape from hand to mouth each week.. ..no different in this country.... entirely different from America. In the US, 90 % of the population don't own a passport and have never travelled abroad. Is it worth mentioning the fact that the US is so vast that they don't need to go abroad. They can get to visit almost any type of climate they wish and travel much further than most Brits do on their travels, within the US In the UK, the vast majority of people do have a passport and have used it to travelled abroad. The majority of UK residents are not impoverished, and are in work. For that work they disperse all over the country to live; many people travel for work reasons and far more travel to see family elsewhere. Incidentally, The UK does not mean England., as you imply above over a lifetime I suspect I might have seen more of England than you have me love.... Since you know absolutely nothing about my lifetime, that's just another example of you not having a clue what you're on about. Janet. -- Sue Remove the puppies to reply |
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but life here looks
better, feels better and certainly is better than in the 50' and 60's. I have to disagree with you on this point as far as 'life is better'. 'Financially' far, far, far better, but I think that the 'pace' of life has eroded some of the things we enjoyed in the 50's and the 60's. "Would I like to be a teenager now, compared to when I was a teenager?" No, the outside pressure on the teenager today is far greater than the 50's and the 60's in the way of the 'latest must have gizmos' Moving to the Adult, yes he/she has more 'possessions', TV with umty dozen channels to switch off, car/s in the family, foreign holidays/cruises which has already been mentioned and the 'pressures' from the children 'Johnny up the road has a new bike, can I have one?' and whereas it was 'just a bike' in my parent's day, these days it computers/holidays/cars/the 'in' clothing etc etc etc Sorry, I preferred the 'rate' of the 50's and the 60's. 50 years ago my road of about 24 houses, had 'possibly' one car in it. (According to a neighbour who has lived in the house for all of his 68 years) We now have many houses with 2, 3 and even 4 cars/vans. Sitting here and counting from 'thought', there are at least 31. Calculate the pressures there of finding somewhere to park, getting out onto the main road, which is equally crowded, the speed which we travel at ..... slow:-(( In the 50's I could get from Sandown to Cowes in just over 40 minutes by train. Now, no train, just under an hour. Yes I enjoy the 'wealth' of today, but not the 'pace', and by that I mean pressure and frustration as in the above example of being held up, and I know a lot of older people will agree with me, because this is a discussion I have had time and time again. Mike |
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In article , Sue Begg writes: | | Is it worth mentioning the fact that the US is so vast that they don't | need to go abroad. They can get to visit almost any type of climate they | wish and travel much further than most Brits do on their travels, within | the US It is also worth mentioning that both are common myths. Firstly, it has only a few climate types - a hell of a lot more than the UK, but many less than the British Empire (over which the sun never set, natch). Secondly, most people in the USA don't even leave their vicinity (which may be physically large, but is often very homogeneous). Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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I must be mis-remembering but I though I remembered his government imposing the very small travel allowance. I certainly remember going abroad in my school years and arrangements to travel, hotel bookings and methods of payment all being negotiated separately and not pre-paid before leaving home, for example. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds to email me) Either you went to school well after I did or you were blessed with an abundance of cash...in my days a day's outing at the beach 40 miles away was a 'big thing'...even bigger was the weekly pass that allowed us to go to the seaside each day but not stay overnight or a week's holiday at relatives....but those were fun days of playing in the streets without, as Mike points out, loads of speeding cars and the likes....the only schoolboys at 'my school' that enjoyed holidays abroad were the 'toffs'....I was but a scholarship kid at a public school and being of a "working class family" money did not exactly grow on a tree but also admit I never knew what an empty tummy felt like....what money that was available went to food and clothing...my school years were in the late 30's to early 40's.....personally I would readily exchange the living conditions of yesteryear for today's and forego the wealth of today.....I have been broke many a time in my lifetime but never poor.....now that I am not poor from a money point of view I feel poorer than in my youth for reasons stated above.....H |
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over a lifetime I suspect I might have seen more of England than you have me love.... Since you know absolutely nothing about my lifetime, that's just another example of you not having a clue what you're on about. Janet. ..........Me thinks otherwise.....I may have left England a number of years ago but have remained a reader of your newspapers over the years and now that Drudge Report so conveniently allows me to read the London Times, the Telegraph and the Guardian each morning I do think I have a clue as to what is going on in England...unless of course the newspaper are full of you know what...H |
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"Dave Poole" wrote in message ... Dammit! I was determined to stay out of this. but... No more. Can we now get back to discussing gardening in the UK please? Dave Poole Of course if people ignore this thread it will cease to exist but curiosity being what it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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"martin" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:54:53 -0400, "Harold Walker" wrote: .........Me thinks otherwise.....I may have left England a number of years ago but have remained a reader of your newspapers over the years and now that Drudge Report so conveniently allows me to read the London Times, the Telegraph and the Guardian each morning I do think I have a clue as to what is going on in England...unless of course the newspaper are full of you know what...H Aren't all newspapers? -- Martin Much more so than the editors would ever admit....at least yours are more readable than most of ours. |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "Harold Walker" contains these words: Kay wrote OK, I apologise. In that case, I just think you are wrong ;-) me think not...also agreed with by a few I met over there...aint like it used to be and will never be the same.. I hope they won't. Back in the good old days in 1950's industrial Lancashire winters were blighted with thick filthy smog. But, looking on the bright side, there was very little black spot on the roses in urban gardens in those days :-) |
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"Harold Walker" wrote in message ... snip .....I was but a scholarship kid at a public school and being of a "working class family" money did not exactly grow on a tree Do you think that experience in your formative years might go some way to explaining your apparent preoccupation with the British 'class system'? |
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....I was but a scholarship kid at a public school and being of a "working class family" money did not exactly grow on a tree Do you think that experience in your formative years might go some way to explaining your apparent preoccupation with the British 'class system'? Not a preoccupation, just a very aware fact that there 'is' a class system in this country and it is alive and well. Mike |
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Harold Walker wrote:
"Dave Poole" wrote in message [...] Can we now get back to discussing gardening in the UK please? Dave Poole Of course if people ignore this thread it will cease to exist but curiosity being what it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK. Not UK, but when I occasionally look in on US gardening groups I notice a desperate preoccupation with the difficulties of keeping a lawn going in various extreme conditions. It interests me, as in some of the situations described I wouldn't even _try_ . In Oz we had a reasonable front lawn, but at the back we just had coarse stuff called buffalo grass. What have you observed over there, Harold? -- Mike. |
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The message
from "Harold Walker" contains these words: I might very well be wrong but somehow suspect some similar conditions might be around the coal area of Yorkshire with the closing down of the pits....I hear many families without an income other than gov.support....perhaps I hear wrong....I have not 'surveyed' areas like Birmingham but would suspect some unsavoury conditions there....believe you me, for every one I suspect exists in the UK I could name a dozen in this country....I do not deny the truth nor cover it.....H That's not my impression of such areas I know of. -- Rusty There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who read binary and those who don't. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from martin contains these words: mumbles shoe box in the gutter .... Ee lad, 'appen tha were reet looky... -- Rusty There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who read binary and those who don't. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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In article , Sue Begg
writes Is it worth mentioning the fact that the US is so vast that they don't need to go abroad. They can get to visit almost any type of climate they wish I must admit that when I have travelled, it has been to experience a different culture and way of life rather than to seek a different climate. -- Kay "Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river" |
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